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Let's forget Albanese we're stuck with him for now. Could be worse (much worse)

as for this:
Re Israel etc ,know where do you mention anything re the hostages that were taken, or what kicked the whole thing off, is it all Israel's fault ?
I know it's popular to say the whole think began with the shocking massacre 2 years ago but that is so so far from the truth.
It's quite easy to look up the history of how the modern state of Israel was formed, and what happened in the decades that led up to that point, and what happened in the decades since then.
In any case all US govts have supported Israel because they see it as vital to their interests - so not only Trump - but fact is the US is the major supplier of weaponry and Israel's most powerful supporter on the world stage (or by now, maybe only supporter). The US could have used that influence to shut down this horror a long time ago.

I'll check out the rest of your post later 🙂
 
How is Albanese 'accidental'? Didn't he absolutely decimate the Libs, to the point the party's future is on life support?

As for Trump, so far as I'm concerned he's complicit in Netanyahu's genocide, he could have reined that monster in a long time ago but he gave him free reign to do what he's done.

To give him credit for peace now would be akin to giving him credit for peace with Iran on the basis he bombed them then stopped bombing them, voila, peace.
Just interested in your comment on Netanyahu or Israel’s war. Not sure how anyone can say Trump is complicit here more aptly it is the US who has supported them bilaterally. Most of this occurred when the democrats were in government. Trump has objectively done more whether clumsily or just well intentioned then the previous administration both in this war and the war in Ukraine.
 
How is Albanese 'accidental'? Didn't he absolutely decimate the Libs, to the point the party's future is on life support?

As for Trump, so far as I'm concerned he's complicit in Netanyahu's genocide, he could have reined that monster in a long time ago but he gave him free reign to do what he's done.

To give him credit for peace now would be akin to giving him credit for peace with Iran on the basis he bombed them then stopped bombing them, voila, peace.
I think calling Albanese ‘accidental’ is more about how much the Libs self-destructed than about his popularity.
 
Just interested in your comment on Netanyahu or Israel’s war. Not sure how anyone can say Trump is complicit here more aptly it is the US who has supported them bilaterally. Most of this occurred when the democrats were in government. Trump has objectively done more whether clumsily or just well intentioned then the previous administration both in this war and the war in Ukraine.
The US in general has a lot to say for the Israel-Palestine conflict getting to where it is today. While i'm butting in here, I have not been cautious to make that point. One of the only politicians over there in recent years that has consistently spoken against the conflict is Bernie Sanders and he was chewed out.

I suspect Kamala would've handled it as carelessly as all the other prior presidents have. Infact, since 2023 under both republican and democratic governance the US has funded Israel with $23billion and failed to condemn even indirect concerns such as displacement/disease/blocking foreign journalists.

With that said, Trump has overseen the worst period of the conflict in its 80 year history. His initial plan was to have the US take over Gaza. That didn't go well, eventually just jokes (?) about Trump tower being there. It took 10 months for him to say anything against Israel's will. And amidst the escalating situation in Gaza, he advocates for himself and Netanyahu to win Nobel peace prizes... ffs

The peace plan - while absolutely called for - has some notable flaws. It also doesn't overcome the issue plaguing the last 30 years of the conflict; ambiguous, empty promises for peace.

Israel does not have any leverage politically or militarily to commit to a genocide without the support of the US. Netanyahu likely views Trump as a weak, necessary idiot. Trump's leadership (or lack thereof) has bought them the time and opportunity they otherwise would not have had.

As I say this, the most recent headline is:
"Trump says Netanyahu will have full US backing to "do what he has to do" if Hamas does not agree to the plan".
While Trump is a grifting, narcissistic moron, Netanyahu is pure, calculated evil
 
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Not sure how anyone can say Trump is complicit here more aptly it is the US who has supported them bilaterally. Most of this occurred when the democrats were in government.
Absolutely correct.
My comment about Trump was in response to someone saying he should get credit for fixing it. All US govts through the decades have been complicit in the way Palestinians have been treated.
 
Stephan Miller (Joseph Goebbels) has a Freudian slip: “Trump already has plenary authority [over the military]”

He completely froze and tried to pretend it was a technical glitch (while blinking)

Was asked the question again later on, CNN didn’t post this original clip to YouTube. The only place you can find it is reddit (and probably other social media)…


 
The US in general has a lot to say for the Israel-Palestine conflict getting to where it is today. While i'm butting in here, I have not been cautious to make that point. One of the only politicians over there in recent years that has consistently spoken against the conflict is Bernie Sanders and he was chewed out.

I suspect Kamala would've handled it as carelessly as all the other prior presidents have. Infact, since 2023 under both republican and democratic governance the US has funded Israel with $23billion and failed to condemn even indirect concerns such as displacement/disease/blocking foreign journalists.

With that said, Trump has overseen the worst period of the conflict in its 80 year history. His initial plan was to have the US take over Gaza. That didn't go well, eventually just jokes (?) about Trump tower being there. It took 10 months for him to say anything against Israel's will. And amidst the escalating situation in Gaza, he advocates for himself and Netanyahu to win Nobel peace prizes... ffs

The peace plan - while absolutely called for - has some notable flaws. It also doesn't overcome the issue plaguing the last 30 years of the conflict; ambiguous, empty promises for peace.

Israel does not have any leverage politically or militarily to commit to a genocide without the support of the US. Netanyahu likely views Trump as a weak, necessary idiot. Trump's leadership (or lack thereof) has bought them the time and opportunity they otherwise would not have had.

As I say this, the most recent headline is:
"Trump says Netanyahu will have full US backing to "do what he has to do" if Hamas does not agree to the plan".
While Trump is a grifting, narcissistic moron, Netanyahu is pure, calculated evil
I understand you don’t like trump and respect this is your prerogative but respectfully you come across as a one eyed crazy footy fan re your views on Trump. ( this should not be too surprising considering this is a footy fan site 😜. It’s really hard to see this as objective in any way. Btw I don’t see Trump as a Nobel prize winner but see him as at least trying to do more than the previous administration both in this conflict and the one in the Ukraine.
 
I understand you don’t like trump and respect this is your prerogative but respectfully you come across as a one eyed crazy footy fan re your views on Trump. ( this should not be too surprising considering this is a footy fan site 😜. It’s really hard to see this as objective in any way. Btw I don’t see Trump as a Nobel prize winner but see him as at least trying to do more than the previous administration both in this conflict and the one in the Ukraine.

I don’t discredit that dependant on one’s perspective, that observation is justified

From your perspective, I have never come to any of your conclusions on Trump. Key topics to date include tariffs, DOGE, ICE, Iran, trans, autism + paracetamol, anti-vax, pro-Russian sentiment, climate change, bombing boats in international waters and Netanyahu alliance / enabling.

My counter argument is that these are all highly divisive topics in nature. That Trump’s stances on all of the above go against the grain w.r.t established ethical norms, economic, medicinal and scientific understanding.

My level of concern on certain topics can border on dramatic. As I’ve repeatedly mentioned, I am skewed in the sense that I have a vested interest in historical precedents such as the rise of the Khmer Rouge (have visited the Cambodian killing fields) and of course Nazi Germany. I see many parallels in the modern state of Israel and MAGAt US.

Repeatedly I have shown to be very sensitive to topics on anti-intellectualism (“don’t trust the experts”) and debates on human rights (racial profiling, detainment, cleansing). Unfortunately every topic of late is centred around these two key issues.

Overall, Trump is not a credible individual; both you and I know he is a compulsive liar.

When involved in peace talks he does not involve the input of key stakeholders and expects everyone to agree on his terms.

In his homeland he takes unprecedented ideologically charged positions without consultation.
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As an example, if Trump purely focused on border security - I could appreciate that it is not an objectively bad exercise. I’d argue the issue is more related to mental health and the US healthcare system for reasons X Y Z, but I would at least be able to address basic pros and cons.

However, Trump ignored the courts, did away with due process, reignited racial profiling and established an untouchable, untrained police force (not too dissimilar to the Gestapo) to deport and/or incarcerate people across the country. i.e with a small series of steps he has moved it to an indefensible position.

Stephan Miller’s influence is extremely concerning.

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Back to Gaza, I was talking about Trump enabling Israel months ago. If you took issue with me acknowledging the idea, but criticising the method then your question must have actually been “what do democrat fans think about trump solving __”.

I have done zero to support the Democrat position on it other than referencing Trump’s actions and suggesting that it would be the lesser of two evils. Like Trump, do I think the Democrats would wait until after it’s classed a genocide to act? I don’t know for a fact. Do you think without the global attention Trump would have suddenly taken such a right turn?

My stance on the peace plan itself is reflected in this article. Else this post would turn into a novel

I do not apologise for not buying into Trump’s rhetoric, or yesterday’s headlines. When I believe Trump/MAGA takes on an extreme or irrational stance I expand on exactly why. While you have been respectful, if you do disagree with what I say no one is stopping you from pulling apart the content in my posts. If you are so inclined, you may tear any bullet point to shreds
 
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Anybody notice the rubbish that ANTIFA are doing in Portland. ICE agents trying to do their jobs by arresting the worst of the illegals and are being prevented from doing their jobs by what I call domestic terrorism by people dressed in black with full covered face masks with professional cameras, hardly normal citizens here. If ICE were left to legally go about their business and arrest the bad guys none of this left staged faked outrage wouldn't even be hitting the TV screens.
 

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