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47MVEagle
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Yeah no worries mate, good to see you bow out so gracefully - oh wait…
I know Ill regret this, so que the leftist pile on, but I do wonder how all you TDS suffers will feel if Trump manages to get this Hamas Israel deal done? Will you give him any credit for it, or how about some credit for even trying?
Or will you take the laughable and arguably destructive attempt, by the look at me I'm the accidental PM of Aushstralia " recognizing the nonexistent state of Palestine with its nonexistent government " view thats what pushed the deal over the line, what a joke 🙂
Anyways Im sure there is a few of you clearer thinkers that will give him some begrudging credit, while there will be a rabid nest of others who even if he cured cancer would still criticize him relentlessly .
On other matters very pleased with Kobes efforts yesterday, although not happy to hear that he needs some sort of operation on his hip
Or will you take the laughable and arguably destructive attempt, by the look at me I'm the accidental PM of Aushstralia " recognizing the nonexistent state of Palestine with its nonexistent government " view thats what pushed the deal over the line, what a joke 🙂
Anyways Im sure there is a few of you clearer thinkers that will give him some begrudging credit, while there will be a rabid nest of others who even if he cured cancer would still criticize him relentlessly .
On other matters very pleased with Kobes efforts yesterday, although not happy to hear that he needs some sort of operation on his hip
How is Albanese 'accidental'? Didn't he absolutely decimate the Libs, to the point the party's future is on life support?
As for Trump, so far as I'm concerned he's complicit in Netanyahu's genocide, he could have reined that monster in a long time ago but he gave him free reign to do what he's done.
To give him credit for peace now would be akin to giving him credit for peace with Iran on the basis he bombed them then stopped bombing them, voila, peace.
Mate if he cures cancer ...??
He wants pregnant women to suffer dangerous fevers rather than take a safe drug. He's appointed a vaccine-sceptic psycho as his health secretary. If he has any positive achievements at all its highly unlikely to be in the health field.
47MVEagle
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I stopped reading here because in your mind, anyone who isn’t a fervent cult member who thinks Trump lays golden eggs apparently suffers from derangement.
What is your opinion on Trump ignoring a Supreme Court judge’s ruling & sending the military into Oregon to deal with what he claims are domestic terrorists (antifa) - when in actual fact it’s people demonstrating against the ICE detention facilities there?
Not all right-aligned folk willingly support genocide / rewriting history. If you were ever actually confronted with one I also suspect you would snap out of it. The rest of this is a bit of a late night rant, so forgive me where it is sloppy.
Given the state of that post it appears you are just totally out of the loop / naive to any of the historical context to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Trump's involved so time to hop in I guess. Seems an awful lot like a pattern with MAGAts. Loudest in the room but seldom something is actually said.
US has propped up and aided Israel for half a century. Other US presidents have terribly failed the Palestinian people on several occasions. Yet that does not absolve Trump from overseeing an escalating genocide for 9 months. It says something that Israel felt so untethered. Trump's only tangible contributions leading up to this point have been to suck up to Israel; from supporting their reckless motivations in Iran to spreading stupid narcissistic **** like this,
US people have begun learning about the Palestinian situation in recent years (as have many who are online, viewing the clips). For the first time even the Americans are starting to make some noise about it all. The international community is well ahead of them and increasingly vocal. This issue is now at the doorstep of Netanyahu and Trump; I don't expect they can ignore it much longer. Netanyahu will push the limits though, and Trump's weak attempts at resolving the Russian-Ukranian conflict give him confidence to delay and ignore US rhetoric.
As for this peace plan offered by the US, it essentially just rehashes elements of the 1993 Oslo accord agreements. While nothing in it suggests Trump had any direct role in its creation, it is the a move in the right direction. One mistake it makes is not acknowledging Israel's role in the conflict pre 2023 (apartheid, displacement, oppression). I also see some potentially serious flaws with certain points and am a bit concerned it may just be for show.
For example, point 4 requests that all hostages be returned dead or alive else the 'final solution' continues. Half of the hostages are likely buried deep in rubble at this point as a result of Israel's bombings. Is this a genuine sticking point? Point 7, why wait for the agreement to send in aid? ****ing war crime in writing right there. Point 13 is good (the way it was heading before Netenyahu got involved). Point 16 pretends that Israel isn't a guarded fortress already. Point 19 appears to allude to a two-state solution; though it is terribly ambiguous. Such ambiguity is a huge problem in peace agreements (Palestinians have heard empty promises for decades while their living situation has worsened indefinitely). There has not been hope for a Palestinian child born since the 1970s, less so today.
The west has for so long parroted the US stance. What I can thank Trump for is that he has brought the US down to such a low point that western leaders now reject and/or ignore the de facto US position and act for themselves, thus applying pressure back on the US. We should not be tied to the actions of the US, nor the Israeli state. I don't care if you like our leader or not, it is not his fault you are not informed at this point in time.
Doesn't have to always be that way, I find this video is a good start (focused more on recent times)
West Bank (not Gaza): watch the first few mins at least
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Cliffycomeback
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While the casualties in Gaza are horrific, they are nowhere near a level which would be considered genocidal. 60000 deaths out of a population of 2.42 million people is hardly genocide. The real genocide is occuring in Africa where Christians are being slaughtered by Muslims. Funnily enough, I am yet to read of any outrage about this on here or from the left in general.
60,000 is the confirmed count through public / private hospitals. But if you watch that drone shot it will become apparent that only a portion of victims will be getting to the hospitals at all. Many hospitals have also been blown up by Israel.
Touched on this a few posts ago somewhere but there is something known as the direct deaths : indirect deaths ratio. There’s starvation, lack of water supply (has been cut off in many regions), open sewage, almost non-existent healthcare (report from October 2024 (!!!) was that just 17/36 hospitals in Gaza remained operational). That figure likely has dwindled further. As a result, disease will be a non-trivial factor and I imagine only a small percent end up in hospitals.
Estimates that factor in indirect deaths, as well as uncertainty surrounding current figures were arriving at figures in excess of 180,000 in late 2024. Since then, the intensity has increased and international reporters still have been barred access. As I noted recently, no one is digging through the rubble to count each death. The 60,000 figure is doing far more harm than good at this stage, but given there’s no way to count bodies you don’t have, I understand it requires international intervention to truly learn the scale of what has happened in Gaza
**** sake,
Again it is so mind numbingly sad that this is being politicised. Every democrat and republican has been woeful in their efforts. Today, around 300 house republicans and democrats are funded ~ 100K+ on average by AIPAC. Israeli influence has been increasingly strong amongst US Politicians since the 70s). Christian / religious elements at play too; also anti-Arab sentiment (worsened following 9/11). Most current democrats vote for pro-Israeli agenda (all republicans). It has been that way since almost forever in the US (since period where Israel was used as a Cold War proxy)
Search up Bill Clinton’s messaging / stance on the conflict. Consider if his thoughts are the be all and end all
Look at the account that posted that video. Consider their motives and whether their video alone will provide sufficient perspective. Note the connotations associated with it’s title
Search up the 1993 Oslo Accords. Search up the agreed green line and what happened to it today (link to video). Search up Israel’s policy regarding the two state solution over the past 30 years (of particular interest is the Netanyahu period)
It’s such a complex conflict, it really warrants watching a few documentaries or reading quite a bit to get the background understanding necessary to watch videos such as the one you linked and not just take it at face value
The problem with peace is that it has to be a two-way deal. Palestinians began pushing for peace deals in the 70’s (see Arafat’s 1974 UN olive branch speech on behalf of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation). After the 93 Oslo accords and subsequent rise in Israeli and Muslim religious fundamentalist terrorist attacks it forced Israel to finally step in and begin the process; granting the Palestinian Authority some governance of the occupied West Bank and Gazan territories.
Netanyahu then assisted the rise of Hamas, making it policy to divide the Palestinian communities to prevent the two state solution (there are formal records of this). If you watch the documentary below you will see that they remain occupied and under a system of apartheid today. Palestinian areas were walled off and left undeveloped. The Israeli military patrol the streets and regularly shut down areas to walk Jewish settlers through towns.
Actually, Im going to stop myself here, I haven’t even really gotten to the crux of my point. I don’t care about your politics. Whether you have a genuine interest in this or not, I think it is well worth your while to give it a minute or your day to watch through a documentary or two. I have plugged this one many times before, but it really is a great starting point as it is related more to the current situation, doesn’t get lost in the details and is a short watch (29min). If you watch it and believe there is still no such thing as Israeli (and lesser extent, US) propaganda on this issue, that’s OK. I think it is at least noble to consider the possibility that things aren’t as they seem
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manly al
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Probably should have been handled much better back when the British had essentially full control over the greater Palestine region just after W W 2 After 3 or so years of trying to supress a Jewish armed attempt to establish a Jewish state there , finally relented with no real or measured plan or international plan to accommodate the fall out with the forced relocation then of tens of thousands of Palestinians to cater for a new Jewish homeland
After the Holacast, certainly a case to provide a safer Jewish sanctuary somewhere , and there were some suggestions of alternative various locations apart from what was then the greater Palestine region
Pretty much a battle weary world also and naturally just after W W 2 but the Poms and the U S with the means to still have the main clout there at the time , just became more focussed in allowing the establishment of Israel then any practical considerations or surety for a self determining Palestinian state there as well
Had the capacity with peace keeping forces combined and gradually other countries could have participated , then cold war politics kicked in and latter religion extremism also and then just became too polarised there and up until recent times
Credit to Trump on a few levels with this recent proposal to improve matters there , not totally his concept but with a bit of resolve by the main players there , could just have something going for it
Maybe not a total genocide motivation for Gaza residents for many months now but pretty close to it and that can never be justified
After the Holacast, certainly a case to provide a safer Jewish sanctuary somewhere , and there were some suggestions of alternative various locations apart from what was then the greater Palestine region
Pretty much a battle weary world also and naturally just after W W 2 but the Poms and the U S with the means to still have the main clout there at the time , just became more focussed in allowing the establishment of Israel then any practical considerations or surety for a self determining Palestinian state there as well
Had the capacity with peace keeping forces combined and gradually other countries could have participated , then cold war politics kicked in and latter religion extremism also and then just became too polarised there and up until recent times
Credit to Trump on a few levels with this recent proposal to improve matters there , not totally his concept but with a bit of resolve by the main players there , could just have something going for it
Maybe not a total genocide motivation for Gaza residents for many months now but pretty close to it and that can never be justified
Cliffycomeback
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If only Hamas didn't commit the atrocities of October the 7th 2023. They could have also released the hostages but they chose not to. Then there's the thousands of Australian Muslims who celebrated the October attack on Israel as a day of courage, as a day of victory before Israel had fired a shot in anger.
If only...
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Cliffycomeback
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Facts are facts.
Israel agreed to a two state solution on five occassions. The Palestinians rejected it every time.
Palestinians voted in Hamas who used billions of dollars it received in foreign aid to build terror tunnels and stockpile missiles. Hamas then attacked Israel on a Holy holiday, massacring men, women and children. Hamas chose to kill, starve and keep Israeli hostages.
Hamas is to blame.
Tylonel have literally posted on their social media accounts they don’t recommend pregnant women using their products btw…
Really??? Got a link to that???
Fact: This is Tylenol's website - it says: "Credible, independent scientific data continues to show no proven link between taking acetaminophen and autism."
Contrary to your post - Tylenol does NOT say they don't recommend pregnant women using tylenol!!!!!
Rather, they say "If you are pregnant or nursing a baby, ask your healthcare professional before using TYLENOL® "
They then go on to explain say why they say that - its a legal requirement to say that !!!!
Quote:
In fact, U.S. law requires manufacturers of most orally-ingested OTC medicines to direct expecting and nursing mothers to “ask a health professional before use” on the product label.
- Medical professionals and health authorities agree that acetaminophen, one of the most studied medicines in history, is the safest pain relief option for pregnant women as needed through their entire pregnancy.
All they are saying is 'Consult you doctor', and they say that because its a legal requirement to say that, not because it is dangerous.
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Yea I will find the post later when I’m free & put it in here
I quickly found it. This is a post I seen from their official media account.
It is from 2017 so maybe something has changed but it’s 100% a real post
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They aren't allowed to 'recommend' it - as per their website I quoted immediately above. They have to say see a doctor.
The problem with re-posting this without explaining it is precisely because it implies there may be something dangerous. It is harmful to spread that because maybe some pregnant woman will avoid using the safe drug and let a fever run.
And that is highly problematic because it is well established medical science that fevers during pregnancy can lead to birth defects, miscarriages or stillbirth.
I know this is not trump related but it is worthwhile providing more context
From Snopes
Contextualizing 2017 Tylenol post about pregnancy recommendations
The post shared on social media was authentic, but Tylenol maker Kenvue said the response was "incomplete" and didn't reflect its "full guidance."
www.snopes.com
Tylenol did share a post in March 2017 that read, in part, "We actually don't recommend using any of our products while pregnant." However, Tylenol maker Kenvue provided additional context to Snopes via email. The company said, in part, that it does not "make recommendations on taking any medications in pregnancy because that is the job of a healthcare provider." It also described the "consumer response" featured in the post as "incomplete," saying it didn't reflect its full guidance on the safe use of Tylenol. The company reiterated that acetaminophen remains safe for women to take as needed during pregnancy, which is in line with other medical experts' recommendations.
I knew I would regret wandering into this thread,,,anyways
I view Albanese as the accidental PM as Bill Shorten lost the unlosable election, ably assisted by his trusty sidekick the incompetent, arrogant, pretentious, serial underperformer and totally witless useful idiot that was Chris Bowen, you remember counsellor "if you don't like our policies don't vote for us", and they didn't !!
That's right Chris Bowen ,the same dolt who is currently doing his best to hollow out the Australian economy, kill farming and get the nations power grid hooked on windmills and solar panels we cannot and will not ever make our selves, nor 100% control (basis the latest reports) and that have to be repurchased every 15-20 years or so , and the old ones largely put in land fill (great for the environment that one), largely purchased from a country that the same striped Govt is desperately trying to shore up our defences against.
The same country that routinely punish us for stepping out of line. e.g the current impasse with BHP and Iron ore exports just as we do a defence deal with PNG, the same country who went no talkies with us and who banned various exports when we dared to question the origin of COVID, one of the greatest blows to the world economy, personal freedoms and the free world in general. So what could possibly go wrong under that scenario ?
So under Albo and Bobo " The make China great again" programme is really working a treat !!
Lest you get to carried away with the current lower house majority Labor's primary vote was barely 34% and the Liberals 32%? ,so basically barely a 3rd of the voting population voted Labor 1st ,its only preferences harvesting from the myriad of green parties, teals etc that has got him the "majority"
On a side note I personally find it difficult to accept that a bloke who has never employed anyone, tried to start a business ,nor actually worked for a private company (he lasted a few months at the CBA after he left school) and whose basic qualification is as a labor party back room hack (what the hell does that teach you about the real world?) and university anti Israel activist ,has any business being anywhere near the Prime ministership of Australia (just my opinion)
In the old days Labour party PM s were train drivers, brick layers and builders etc ,they had some real world experience and could identify with real people and the issues they face. Albo has been on the govt breast pretty much since birth. "But but what about Bob Hawke he was just a unionist", I here you cry . Yes he was, the difference there though is that Hawke was smart ,a great communicator and a clear thinker with a vision for growing the economy and the country, which he succeeded in doing .He was one of our great PMs .Where as Albo imo has proven to be rat cunning but not particularly intelligent or smart ,bereft of vision for the country,other than trying to get elected again ,to make power unaffordable to all but high income earners, to run the grid for low emissions versus low cost and reliability (which in turns makes it impossible in the real world, for us to make anything) , and to make China great, at our expense ! .
Re Israel etc ,know where do you mention anything re the hostages that were taken, or what kicked the whole thing off, is it all Israel's fault ?
Re your 2nd post I didn't mention anything about Tylenol, my point was if he did cure cancer (given, its not likely at this point) many would still complain that he was 200 years too late, or that why can't he do something about the pot holes in the road ,what use is he ? !!
You can spin Trump and Netanyahu all you want, the point is Trump would appear to be trying to do everything in his power to stop that war. He has worked hard to get all the relevant stakeholders in and around the area invested and "committed" and we should all hope he succeeds, even you. Although I realise that you supporting anything that Trump does would be like asking your to cheer for the Melbourne Storm in a GF versus Manly (we can only live in hope)
Re Iran I think the the majority would view as positive the further away a nation like Iran is from the ability to make a nuclear bomb ,along with taking some of the wind out of their sails re their ability to prop up the likes of Hamas
On a final note I don't agree with everything Trump says or does,( I clearly agree with some mind you ) ,but I do find him entertaining, particularly the people on IG etc who take him off, they are hilarious ,particularly when you then watch Trump do a presser ,you know " this is a great agreement, possibly the best agreement ever ,maybe the best ever in 3000 years ,,,,,etc "
You may view that as a frivolous pursuit counsellor but while you and I do not see eye to eye on numerous things I would like to think we both enjoy a laugh, and of course a Manly win
Good day to you my learned friend
I view Albanese as the accidental PM as Bill Shorten lost the unlosable election, ably assisted by his trusty sidekick the incompetent, arrogant, pretentious, serial underperformer and totally witless useful idiot that was Chris Bowen, you remember counsellor "if you don't like our policies don't vote for us", and they didn't !!
That's right Chris Bowen ,the same dolt who is currently doing his best to hollow out the Australian economy, kill farming and get the nations power grid hooked on windmills and solar panels we cannot and will not ever make our selves, nor 100% control (basis the latest reports) and that have to be repurchased every 15-20 years or so , and the old ones largely put in land fill (great for the environment that one), largely purchased from a country that the same striped Govt is desperately trying to shore up our defences against.
The same country that routinely punish us for stepping out of line. e.g the current impasse with BHP and Iron ore exports just as we do a defence deal with PNG, the same country who went no talkies with us and who banned various exports when we dared to question the origin of COVID, one of the greatest blows to the world economy, personal freedoms and the free world in general. So what could possibly go wrong under that scenario ?
So under Albo and Bobo " The make China great again" programme is really working a treat !!
Lest you get to carried away with the current lower house majority Labor's primary vote was barely 34% and the Liberals 32%? ,so basically barely a 3rd of the voting population voted Labor 1st ,its only preferences harvesting from the myriad of green parties, teals etc that has got him the "majority"
On a side note I personally find it difficult to accept that a bloke who has never employed anyone, tried to start a business ,nor actually worked for a private company (he lasted a few months at the CBA after he left school) and whose basic qualification is as a labor party back room hack (what the hell does that teach you about the real world?) and university anti Israel activist ,has any business being anywhere near the Prime ministership of Australia (just my opinion)
In the old days Labour party PM s were train drivers, brick layers and builders etc ,they had some real world experience and could identify with real people and the issues they face. Albo has been on the govt breast pretty much since birth. "But but what about Bob Hawke he was just a unionist", I here you cry . Yes he was, the difference there though is that Hawke was smart ,a great communicator and a clear thinker with a vision for growing the economy and the country, which he succeeded in doing .He was one of our great PMs .Where as Albo imo has proven to be rat cunning but not particularly intelligent or smart ,bereft of vision for the country,other than trying to get elected again ,to make power unaffordable to all but high income earners, to run the grid for low emissions versus low cost and reliability (which in turns makes it impossible in the real world, for us to make anything) , and to make China great, at our expense ! .
Re Israel etc ,know where do you mention anything re the hostages that were taken, or what kicked the whole thing off, is it all Israel's fault ?
Re your 2nd post I didn't mention anything about Tylenol, my point was if he did cure cancer (given, its not likely at this point) many would still complain that he was 200 years too late, or that why can't he do something about the pot holes in the road ,what use is he ? !!
You can spin Trump and Netanyahu all you want, the point is Trump would appear to be trying to do everything in his power to stop that war. He has worked hard to get all the relevant stakeholders in and around the area invested and "committed" and we should all hope he succeeds, even you. Although I realise that you supporting anything that Trump does would be like asking your to cheer for the Melbourne Storm in a GF versus Manly (we can only live in hope)
Re Iran I think the the majority would view as positive the further away a nation like Iran is from the ability to make a nuclear bomb ,along with taking some of the wind out of their sails re their ability to prop up the likes of Hamas
On a final note I don't agree with everything Trump says or does,( I clearly agree with some mind you ) ,but I do find him entertaining, particularly the people on IG etc who take him off, they are hilarious ,particularly when you then watch Trump do a presser ,you know " this is a great agreement, possibly the best agreement ever ,maybe the best ever in 3000 years ,,,,,etc "
You may view that as a frivolous pursuit counsellor but while you and I do not see eye to eye on numerous things I would like to think we both enjoy a laugh, and of course a Manly win
Good day to you my learned friend
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