Tommy T Injured - usa bound

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Woodsie

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You still haven't explained why Tommy should pay? He injured himself whilst training, he works for Manly Sea Eagles, therefore the employer is responsible for their employees safety & are responsible for injuries in the work place. It's not the point of how much he earns! He was injured at work, if the club wants him to participate this year then they can pay. It's why they pay for insurance policies. Imagine if Tommy was told he has to fork out the money.....he could say F Off & claim damages for loss of earnings for every year of his contract & sit at home.

Because the club has a responsibility to provide industry best practises in injury prevention, management and treatment ... this includes all medically recognised treatments.

The club is under no obligation to send a player overseas to undergo experimental, unproven treatments from a bloke who says he can cure hamstrings in 2 weeks .... it may choose to do so ... but it certainly has no obligation to do so.
 

manly al

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Really would prefer an individual company in this instance to ne offering any additional money to T P A "s but entirely an individual choice also of course . Also not sure if the club is obliged in any way to contribute extra funds for any more specialized [ or purported ] treatment for Turbo , probably did for the Melbourne option treatment programme but overseas and no doubt much higher costs , a bit of a different proposition . Not as if Turbo would have an issue with contributing something or all of the costs especially taking into account the recent increased cap allocation . Super player when fit and well but do we even know if he was sticking to his previous hammy management routine to the best effect with his recent setback . Anyway can only hope big time that any treatment or stated advanced treatment can make some vital difference and at least improve that facet of his previous injury woes
 

madmax

Bencher
Your asking a question that while completely valid misses my point. The club will have processes in place to treat injury and rehabilitation. Those processes may be class leading and cutting edge OR they may not.
In Tom's case multiple injuries to the same body part means one of 2 things.

Either he has chronic hamstring and body issues that will end his career early and rob us of a possible immortal
OR
The processes the club use are not up to scratch.

He should take more control of his own destiny because come 2028 or so he will be left holding the can for possible mismanagement of his body by the club. Who pays then? Yep.... Tom.

I agree that the club should do all it can to get him better but thats a subjective thing. Which ever doctor the club employs may think they know best and hence the club will consider its obligations fulfilled.

I injured my lower back while at work 20 years ago. My employer sent me to doctors and physio to 'get it better' and their obligation was done. 20 years later I've personally spent thousands managing and looking for solutions to chronic pain. Did my employer do the right thing? Possibly. Did they provide the best possible care? No. They did the minimum expected. Do I whish I had more control back then to say hey let's try this instead? Yep sure do.... same for Tommy. If he feels the clubs approach is inadequate then he could have paid for it himself in the off season.
Understand mate.....not saying you're wrong. I just feel the club is not doing what it should to get him fixed. All good let's hope he comes back new!!

Happy New Year BTW mate........
 

madmax

Bencher
Because the club has a responsibility to provide industry best practises in injury prevention, management and treatment ... this includes all medically recognised treatments.

The club is under no obligation to send a player overseas to undergo experimental, unproven treatments from a bloke who says he can cure hamstrings in 2 weeks .... it may choose to do so ... but it certainly has no obligation to do so.
I know what you're saying Woodsie.....i'm just looking at it in a different way. If the club is not obligated & he doesn't get fixed to satisfaction & he finds someone that does fix him then could he not make a claim? I dunno it's it's a fine line.

Happy New Year mate.....
 

EOL now nesting on the GC

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Not sure that he said he 'should' pay but maybe somewhere upstream.
If it were me and my body was my ticket to fame and fortune and a bloody good life, and the club weren't willing to fork out for top shelf treatment, I wouldn't hesitate to stump up the dosh.
It's a no brainer, he is a body for hire.
Exactly my outlook. If I was on 1million per season then nothing would stop me from trying to make sure my short career lasted as long as possible.
 

EOL now nesting on the GC

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Understand mate.....not saying you're wrong. I just feel the club is not doing what it should to get him fixed. All good let's hope he comes back new!!

Happy New Year BTW mate........
I agree mate. The club shouldn't need latrell to attend old mate first to make it jump. We vould have sent Tommy anytime in the past 2 years even when his hammy was ok just for a tune up.
 

40 nil

It's only a game ...
Interesting info from a Facebook post

"I actually saw Anthony Seibold in person and had a great chat to him about many things which he was more than happy to speak about. One of them was about Tom. The problem is actually coming from his lower back into his glute. He said Tom's hips are too loose."
 
Well that could be good news. My daughter was an elite basketballer, who had a sore back and was troubled by knee pain. We took her to a chiro (HE was flown to the states for the US open each year to treat Sampras). She also had one leg slightly longer than the other. Over 2 months of once a week visits he worked on the muscles and structure around her hips. Apparently, she fell when she was very young and limped for some time, which created a muscle memory that had her hips out of alignment. Her two legs became roughly the same length and her hips were re-aligned and the knee and back problems disappeared.
 

jbb/james

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Manly is the business, tom is the product. im sure there are plenty of Do and just as many Do Nots in player contracts regarding rehab. tom seems pretty committed to me

it seems manlys resources in injury management might not be as good as it could based on injury and misleading info regarding return dates over many seasons. but who knows, might just be typos and dessie

a curios question though. If the onus is on tom as a high paid elite member of our spine to go the extra mile and reach into his pocket and claim it on tax

THEN............

if another high paid elite member of your spine that plays......................... halfback is rendered ordinary, based on tommys presence, and has had poor form., and rumours of player stuff also

Should he not hire a halfback coach , Anthony Robbins, give up a ROO tour, and get cracking, you know for his career, manly,

is that the same thing ?

recent season starts have been very very poor for the pickle.
 

NREagle

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I am sure posters on here are far more informed than the medical professionals at the club - I mean we have access to all the information and tests…
Yes, but has the club figured that out yet....
 

SeaEagleRock8

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So has he even gone yet? Where's our updates about how impressed he is with the setup there, and how they think he's the best athlete they ever met? We need updates!



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nightster

The older I get the better I was
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Interesting info from a Facebook post

"I actually saw Anthony Seibold in person and had a great chat to him about many things which he was more than happy to speak about. One of them was about Tom. The problem is actually coming from his lower back into his glute. He said Tom's hips are too loose."
He needs a set of Teddy glutes
 

maxta

First Grader
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Well that could be good news. My daughter was an elite basketballer, who had a sore back and was troubled by knee pain. We took her to a chiro (HE was flown to the states for the US open each year to treat Sampras). She also had one leg slightly longer than the other. Over 2 months of once a week visits he worked on the muscles and structure around her hips. Apparently, she fell when she was very young and limped for some time, which created a muscle memory that had her hips out of alignment. Her two legs became roughly the same length and her hips were re-aligned and the knee and back problems disappeared.
I had the same issue with legs different lengths, and it is amazing the difference of having treatment.
Went to a clinic at Bundall (Gold Coast) and was put on a weird rack like stretching machine.
It stretched me and recall had all the lower back/ hip issues healed basically in 1 moment.
The left knee which had already had busted ACL, was given a new lease of life till it went again, but 100% this was a Massive help I would have loved to know about a few years earlier.
This was back in the mi 90's when these things were not studied so hard, but I feel with all the sports science at NRL level now, this would all be pretty well covered.
 

nightster

The older I get the better I was
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Well that could be good news. My daughter was an elite basketballer, who had a sore back and was troubled by knee pain. We took her to a chiro (HE was flown to the states for the US open each year to treat Sampras). She also had one leg slightly longer than the other. Over 2 months of once a week visits he worked on the muscles and structure around her hips. Apparently, she fell when she was very young and limped for some time, which created a muscle memory that had her hips out of alignment. Her two legs became roughly the same length and her hips were re-aligned and the knee and back problems disappeared.
.... and she weny on to win the Australian Open :nod:?
 

ElectricEagle

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As much as the trip to the US to see specialists is for the physical injury to his hamstring, there is also the hoped side effect that it may help Tom to deal with the mental side effects of the repeat injuries he has suffered. Despite the rhetoric from the club, himself, and other players, it is probable that he would have some mental scarring from those previous and repeated injuries. I know that after doing my ACL, the knee is never 100% the same. You might get it to 95% or slightly higher strength etc. but it is always in your head that you have a 'bad knee' and so on.

Getting him away from everything here may help refocus his headspace and heal his body in the process. (Here's hoping anyway)
 

40 nil

It's only a game ...
As much as the trip to the US to see specialists is for the physical injury to his hamstring, there is also the hoped side effect that it may help Tom to deal with the mental side effects of the repeat injuries he has suffered.
Earlier in this thread I posted an article about Knowles. He has very much a holistic approach with his focus not on the injury per se Tommy T Injured (again)
 
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SeaEagleRock8

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This Knowles bloke is getting plenty of work....

"Melbourne fullback Ryan Papenhuyzen has today flown out to the United States for a two-week training camp with the reconditioning guru who helped Latrell Mitchell last year.

Papenhuyzen is on his way to Philadelphia to link up with the highly regarded Bill Knowles, who will also work with injured Manly superstar Tom Trbojevic later this month."
Well it is the city of brotherly love, maybe all the players should go.
 

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