Three players set to be targeted by ASADA over use of banned peptide CJC-1295
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Pittwater Legend
We brought back Geoff Toovey!
From what has been reported holding Des accountable would make no sense at all.
If a player has sought illegal substances on his own terms then all of the responsibility is on him.
If a player has sought illegal substances on his own terms then all of the responsibility is on him.
Lovetheeagles
Member
MadEagle said:
Me 2 please
Terry-Randal
Reserve Grader
if someone can pm me id love to know curiosity is getting to me. lol
voicefromthehill
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Shoe1 said:
Mate not sure if you are trying to scare people? You made a great post on this PM epidemic yesterday, but you are drawing an extremely long bow in that insinuation.
It would of course require an impacted party to first of all request said communications, and then for them to prove that a communication between two parties is libellous. Oh and for them to give two ****s what those people think in their private communication
ManlyBacker
Winging it
Manly coach Geoff Toovey has played down the significance of reports players from the NRL club were injected with calves' blood off site at the home of a former team-mate.
Calves' blood, which is officially known as Actovegin, is not a banned substance and has been cleared for use by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA).
It was reportedly used on players - without the knowledge of the Sea Eagles' club doctor - at the home of Josh Perry, who now plays for English Super League side St Helens.
Actovegin is used to enhance aerobic oxidation, but Toovey said the club no longer used it because there was no scientific evidence that it worked.
"From my recollection, the only thing that was injected here was Actovegin which was approved by all the bodies and ASADA," Toovey said on Thursday.
"That's the only thing I have knowledge of and there's no scientific evidence to suggest it does anything anyway."
Toovey also denied any knowledge of claims made by a former supplement supplier to controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank that players allegedly purchased products from the boot of his car.
"It's all speculation," Toovey said.
"It's not in our procedures and protocols so I would be surprised if that happened.
"We can only control what we can control. That is the same with every club - you put rules in place to hopefully safeguard the players.
"The club can only do what the club will do. Individual players know the responsibility to the club and to themselves."
The coach conceded the comments were not a good look, but insists there should be nothing to worry about for the Sea Eagles.
"I think we're concerned across all sports," he said.
"Whether it be Essendon, Cronulla, and unfortunately we don't know the facts so it is hard to comment on.
"I understand there is a job to be done by the various bodies and they can't rush things.
"But we'd like to expedite things. But I don't think we have too much to worry about here and the players are focused on rugby league."
AAP
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-14/it-was-only-calves27-blood3a-toovey/4573406?section=sport
Calves' blood, which is officially known as Actovegin, is not a banned substance and has been cleared for use by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA).
It was reportedly used on players - without the knowledge of the Sea Eagles' club doctor - at the home of Josh Perry, who now plays for English Super League side St Helens.
Actovegin is used to enhance aerobic oxidation, but Toovey said the club no longer used it because there was no scientific evidence that it worked.
"From my recollection, the only thing that was injected here was Actovegin which was approved by all the bodies and ASADA," Toovey said on Thursday.
"That's the only thing I have knowledge of and there's no scientific evidence to suggest it does anything anyway."
Toovey also denied any knowledge of claims made by a former supplement supplier to controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank that players allegedly purchased products from the boot of his car.
"It's all speculation," Toovey said.
"It's not in our procedures and protocols so I would be surprised if that happened.
"We can only control what we can control. That is the same with every club - you put rules in place to hopefully safeguard the players.
"The club can only do what the club will do. Individual players know the responsibility to the club and to themselves."
The coach conceded the comments were not a good look, but insists there should be nothing to worry about for the Sea Eagles.
"I think we're concerned across all sports," he said.
"Whether it be Essendon, Cronulla, and unfortunately we don't know the facts so it is hard to comment on.
"I understand there is a job to be done by the various bodies and they can't rush things.
"But we'd like to expedite things. But I don't think we have too much to worry about here and the players are focused on rugby league."
AAP
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-14/it-was-only-calves27-blood3a-toovey/4573406?section=sport
ManlyBacker
Winging it
THE mystery surrounding Manly's left-field sports science practice of injecting Actovegin has deepened with revelations a male nurse administered the calf's blood-based product to three players at former prop Josh Perry's Curl Curl home.
As the Sea Eagles attempted to bunker down in preparation for Sunday's clash with Newcastle at Brookvale Oval, coach Geoff Toovey was forced to fend off questions about the club's controversial practices well before he took control in the top job last season.Since it emerged Manly were injecting calf's blood in the same season they won the premiership in 2008, the Sea Eagles have always been swift to highlight how it is not on the World Anti-Doping Authority banned list.
Correct, it's not. But it was used by Lance Armstrong's US Postal team in the Tour de France in 2000 and it is banned if you inject it intravenously, rather than into muscle or soft-tissue. It is also illegal in the United States.
There is no suggestion the Sea Eagles, then under the guidance of sports scientist Stephen Dank and head coach Des Hasler, had Actovegin injected intravenously.
But the fact three players were getting injected off-site - away from Manly's Narrabeen headquarters where the practice normally took place - by a nurse at Perry's home set off alarm bells yesterday.
"From my recollection, the only thing that was injected here was Actovegin which was approved by all the bodies and ASADA," Toovey said.
"That's the only thing I have knowledge of and there's no scientific evidence to suggest it does anything anyway."
Manly's current management - who were not at the Sea Eagles at the time - last night insisted the club had nothing to hide.
The Sea Eagles also strongly denied players used the blood-thinning medication Warfarin, which was the catalyst for sacked Cronulla doctor Dave Givney sounding the alarm about some of the Sharks' practices in 2011.
"As part of our on-going inquiry the club is very aware of the legal administration of Actovegin taking place in the past," a Manly official said.
"In relation to any other detail around where this administration took place we're still working through the details around this and it's confidential at this stage."
News Limited has been told Manly players are fuming about the details of three players being injected at Perry's home being aired in the public domain.
There were also suggestions the practice may have occurred at other Sea Eagles players' homes, but Manly strongly denied this.
Perry was thrust into the centre of the Sea Eagles investigation on Tuesday night when it was alleged he made a complaint to trainer Don Singe about Dank offering him an unauthorised substance.
Singe then allegedly reported it to ex-Manly doctor Paul Bloomfield, who had a confrontation with Dank about it.
Both Perry and Dank have denied this, with the former NSW Origin prop's agent Mike Newton bunkered down in damage control yesterday.
"I spent an hour on the phone with Josh last night and he flatly denies he was offered anything illegal or making any sort of statement against Mr Dank," Newton said.
"He's confirmed taking Actovegin, or calf's blood, but that was legal at the time and still is as far as I'm aware."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/josh-perrys-house-used-to-inject-calves-blood-but-he-denies-being-offered-unauthorised-substance-by-stephen-dank/story-e6frexnr-1226597219958
As the Sea Eagles attempted to bunker down in preparation for Sunday's clash with Newcastle at Brookvale Oval, coach Geoff Toovey was forced to fend off questions about the club's controversial practices well before he took control in the top job last season.Since it emerged Manly were injecting calf's blood in the same season they won the premiership in 2008, the Sea Eagles have always been swift to highlight how it is not on the World Anti-Doping Authority banned list.
Correct, it's not. But it was used by Lance Armstrong's US Postal team in the Tour de France in 2000 and it is banned if you inject it intravenously, rather than into muscle or soft-tissue. It is also illegal in the United States.
There is no suggestion the Sea Eagles, then under the guidance of sports scientist Stephen Dank and head coach Des Hasler, had Actovegin injected intravenously.
But the fact three players were getting injected off-site - away from Manly's Narrabeen headquarters where the practice normally took place - by a nurse at Perry's home set off alarm bells yesterday.
"From my recollection, the only thing that was injected here was Actovegin which was approved by all the bodies and ASADA," Toovey said.
"That's the only thing I have knowledge of and there's no scientific evidence to suggest it does anything anyway."
Manly's current management - who were not at the Sea Eagles at the time - last night insisted the club had nothing to hide.
The Sea Eagles also strongly denied players used the blood-thinning medication Warfarin, which was the catalyst for sacked Cronulla doctor Dave Givney sounding the alarm about some of the Sharks' practices in 2011.
"As part of our on-going inquiry the club is very aware of the legal administration of Actovegin taking place in the past," a Manly official said.
"In relation to any other detail around where this administration took place we're still working through the details around this and it's confidential at this stage."
News Limited has been told Manly players are fuming about the details of three players being injected at Perry's home being aired in the public domain.
There were also suggestions the practice may have occurred at other Sea Eagles players' homes, but Manly strongly denied this.
Perry was thrust into the centre of the Sea Eagles investigation on Tuesday night when it was alleged he made a complaint to trainer Don Singe about Dank offering him an unauthorised substance.
Singe then allegedly reported it to ex-Manly doctor Paul Bloomfield, who had a confrontation with Dank about it.
Both Perry and Dank have denied this, with the former NSW Origin prop's agent Mike Newton bunkered down in damage control yesterday.
"I spent an hour on the phone with Josh last night and he flatly denies he was offered anything illegal or making any sort of statement against Mr Dank," Newton said.
"He's confirmed taking Actovegin, or calf's blood, but that was legal at the time and still is as far as I'm aware."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/josh-perrys-house-used-to-inject-calves-blood-but-he-denies-being-offered-unauthorised-substance-by-stephen-dank/story-e6frexnr-1226597219958
Brissie Kid
Bencher
There's nothing in that story even if it is true that is outside the doping rules. So what if the nurse was male.
Shoe1
Journey Man
Classic sentence from Hooper in the Tele:
"MYSTERY surrounding Manly's injections has deepened with revelations a male nurse administered calves blood to three players."
How does that deepen the mystery? To me now we at least know that a qualified person was injecting, and that it was a bloke. It's actually less mysterious now Hooper!
"MYSTERY surrounding Manly's injections has deepened with revelations a male nurse administered calves blood to three players."
How does that deepen the mystery? To me now we at least know that a qualified person was injecting, and that it was a bloke. It's actually less mysterious now Hooper!
this guy looks like he has an axe to grind with Manly,he has a deep hate for us this clownMWSE said:
Does the male nurse have a codename ?? If not, we need one so we don't get confused with all the other players in this sordid tale. I'm thinking maybe "The Mosquito" would suit, in keeping with the animal theme and the obvious blood link.
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