This must happen

[skull61]

Yes Fluffy. He is a 5/8 and hooker is a specialist position. I have said a few times on here how I can't believe people were saying we had so much depth at 9. We have no specialist hookers at Manly whatsoever which is probably the saddest indictment of our coaching at the moment.

Barrett was not vindicated. Parcel could pass and he dispatched him.

Having said that these players need to take just as much of the blame. Putting it all on a young coach is ridiculous. They were up 3 tries to nil and folded like tents.

Matt Ballin is a good passer too

 

[winnyason]

Immortals don't need any validation from anyone
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His time with us done, move on 1999 should have been his last involvement. You are off your head.

 

[HK_Eagle]

Immortals don't need any validation from anyone
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They may not need validation, but they certainly need checks and accountability, probably more so than others.

 

[BOZO]

His time with us done, move on 1999 should have been his last involvement. You are off your head.

Immortals are timeless feathered friend
Never forget that

 

[winnyason]

Immortals are timeless feathered friend
Never forget that

Are you serious friend you use that a lot. Immortal fairytale stuff what your stuck in.

 

[BOZO]

They may not need validation, but they certainly need checks and accountability, probably more so than others.

This rebuilding is a 5 year plan and not a 15 month plan
It took Hasler 5 years to win a premiership

 

[BOZO]

Are you serious friend you use that a lot. Immortal fairytale stuff what your stuck in.

Every picture tells a story feathered friend

 

[winnyason]

Every picture tells a story feathered friend
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Yes I get the history. I don't get the bad recruitment

 

[BOZO]

Yes I get the history. I don't get the bad recruitment

The recruitment and rebuilding has not finished yet

 

[winnyason]

The recruitment and rebuilding has not finished yet

Can you explain a hooker who can't pass ?

 

[mave]

Lets hope the writing of our play book hasnt finished yet either.

It's reading as long as a public school tuckshop menu at the moment.

 

[Wombat Legacy]

To be honest, I think 2017 is tread water thing for the club.
I hate it when numpties get on here and blame this person or that person for where the club is at, with FA facts behind their comments. The rot set in when we kept an aging roster who all moved on within a couple of years. Foran deserting us didn't help things either, regardless of what you think of him.

 

[HK_Eagle]

This rebuilding is a 5 year plan and not a 15 month plan
It took Hasler 5 years to win a premiership
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I'm happy to share dialogue with you, Bozo.

My comment was a response to your post suggesting immortals do not need validation. That is an abstract broad catch phrase to begin with. I can only assume that you are inferring that due to this "immortal" status given to Fulton he should be above any criticism? I could be wrong and happy for you to clarify that if I am.

My point is that despite what brilliance Fulton displayed on the field to earn such amazing accolades and respect, he should be, and needs to be closely scrutinised in his role off the field. It is naive (though unfortunately common) to assume that his brilliant footballing performances of yore and his status as one of the RL immortals, transfer to infallibility and amazing ability in other aspects of life.

While his single-mindedness and ability to get what he wants could be useful when applied in an appropriate context, we also need to balance that against the dangers of an unchecked ego and false delusions of grandeur (much of it again propagated by people putting him on a pedestal and mythologising who he is and what he is capable of).

There are enough traces for people to look closely at Fulton and seriously question whether he is in fact in the right position and having the right systems and checks around him to ensure the success of this club longer term.

 

[winnyason]

I'm happy to share dialogue with you, Bozo.

My comment was a response to your post suggesting immortals do not need validation. That is an abstract broad catch phrase to begin with. I can only assume that you are inferring that due to this "immortal" status given to Fulton he should be above any criticism? I could be wrong and happy for you to clarify that if I am.

My point is that despite what brilliance Fulton displayed on the field to earn such amazing accolades and respect, he should be, and needs to be closely scrutinised in his role off the field. It is naive (though unfortunately common) to assume that his brilliant footballing performances of yore and his status as one of the RL immortals, transfer to infallibility and amazing ability in other aspects of life.

While his single-mindedness and ability to get what he wants could be useful when applied in an appropriate context, we also need to balance that against the dangers of an unchecked ego and false delusions of grandeur (much of it again propagated by people putting him on a pedestal and mythologising who he is and what he is capable of).

There are enough traces for people to look closely at Fulton and seriously question whether he is in fact in the right position and having the right systems and checks around him to ensure the success of this club longer term.

Remember dealing with his son as first grade hooker bozo refused to drop him

 

[Deleted member 24974]

We can't do much about this year although I agree with trying Hastings at hooker.
Next year I would let Api, Dylan Walker and Nate myles go. With the the money from those players plus Brett Stewart an Matai I would buy Taumalolo,Dean whare, Arron Woods and Tedesco.
I would also remove Barrett as Manly need a coach that has played for Manly and can restore the culture. Des or Ivan Cleary would be the coach I would pick.

 

[MadMarcus]

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[Simonmyers11]

Hastings will make his way into the side at some stage this year. If you get rid of Green (who is avg at best and doesn't control a game - which is why we bought him) whoever plays 6 or 7 will have to do that role because DCE is a runner and should ball play out wide. Not sure if cullen could do a lot of the general organization but would be interesting to see? Hastings could do this at either 6 or 9. This could really help out dce with better direct passing from hooker and we would have a 80% goal kicker. Api and green will be given a lot more games though, its only rd 2, but if things dont improve Barrett should try a few options until he finds something that works.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Gee how interesting...Tigers selected no front rowers on the bench(2 edge backrowers,a middle backrower and Idris) and guess what happened?They looked good for the first 20 minutes,then got tired and Panthers rolled in 3 quick tries.Started second half well and then got tired fast and got rolled over by the Panthers.Fatigue led to mental errors and dropped ball and Moses and Brooks made bad decisions,errors and looked crap.The side is not crap,nor the players,pick a bench that can continue to make yards up the middle and share the workload and continue the good work of the starting forwards(you don't need just huge impact players like Vave).Does it sound familiar?

 

[desreturnoftheking]

At the moment the Raiders ( without injuries and suspensions ) are the worst team in the comp with -30 on the ladder and if injuries and suspensions hit they could win the spoon

last year that same team made the finals and killed it all year they will return to for because they have the forwards and the talent we don't

 

[NYEagle]

Gee how interesting...Tigers selected no front rowers on the bench(2 edge backrowers,a middle backrower and Idris) and guess what happened?They looked good for the first 20 minutes,then got tired and Panthers rolled in 3 quick tries.Started second half well and then got tired fast and got rolled over by the Panthers.Fatigue led to mental errors and dropped ball and Moses and Brooks made bad decisions,errors and looked crap.The side is not crap,nor the players,pick a bench that can continue to make yards up the middle and share the workload and continue the good work of the starting forwards(you don't need just huge impact players like Vave).Does it sound familiar?

Smokin you musn't have been at the game yesterday but let me explain. After the first 12 minutes we were gassed all game.
Perhaps bringing on unlimited interchange might help?
NYEagle