The Salary Crap

[The Who]

No, it's not a typo.
The defection of the two most in-demand players - Blaize and Stefano -- from the two weakest clubs to the two strongest clubs again highlights that the salary cap is failing its intended purpose: to even out the competition.
What the NRL has become replicates the English Premier League where each season just 4-5 clubs are a realistic chance of winning the premiership.
Wests have become a 'feeder clubs' for others (admittedly, Manly has been a beneficiary) and it is not healthy.
Trying to equalize clubs based solely on a set amount of money spent does not work because they are so many ways to subvert the system. Plus, poorly performing clubs have to pay a premier to attract/keep players.
A points system should replace the money system, with each club's roster to stay within a designated points cap.
As to who decides the relative points value for each player, which would change from season to season, is going to be controversial. Perhaps it's determined by AI based solely on stats, representative honours, junior affiliations . . .
As long as its not administrated by The Bunker I'd be happy.

 

[MissKate]

I understand it isn’t going to be an easy job to work out a fairer system but it’s also not rocket science. The nrl just aren’t interested in fixing this issue and many other issues in the game

 

[HK_Eagle]

The nrl just aren’t interested in fixing this issue and many other issues in the game

Yep. They’d rather spend the money on smoke and mirrors, and then leave it to an ex-politician to spin the inconsistent garbage we are left with every week.

 

[Nordburg]

No, it's not a typo.
The defection of the two most in-demand players - Blaize and Stefano -- from the two weakest clubs to the two strongest clubs again highlights that the salary cap is failing its intended purpose: to even out the competition.
What the NRL has become replicates the English Premier League where each season just 4-5 clubs are a realistic chance of winning the premiership.
Wests have become a 'feeder clubs' for others (admittedly, Manly has been a beneficiary) and it is not healthy.
Trying to equalize clubs based solely on a set amount of money spent does not work because they are so many ways to subvert the system. Plus, poorly performing clubs have to pay a premier to attract/keep players.
A points system should replace the money system, with each club's roster to stay within a designated points cap.
As to who decides the relative points value for each player, which would change from season to season, is going to be controversial. Perhaps it's determined by AI based solely on stats, representative honours, junior affiliations . . .
As long as it’s not administrated by The Bunker I'd be happy.

Two of the worst examples you could have used.Look at all the top line players the Panthers have lost to bottom of the table teams,over the last few years and Blaize is hyped on potential,not on what he actually is.As for the Storm,they rarely go to the market and I wouldn’t say Stefano is top shelf,yet.Storm may pay a bit for their spine,look at the rest of their squad.Fair chance NAS leaves
And they’re going from last/second last teams,anywhere they go is going to be a better side

 

[The Who]

Two of the worst examples you could have used.Look at all the top line players the Panthers have lost to bottom of the table teams,over the last few years and Blaize is hyped on potential,not on what he actually is.As for the Storm,they rarely go to the market and I wouldn’t say Stefano is top shelf,yet.Storm may pay a bit for their spine,look at the rest of their squad.Fair chance NAS leaves
And they’re going from last/second last teams,anywhere they go is going to be a better side

I used the examples of Blaize and Stefano because they were the two most recent high-profile recruitments. They also were desperately wanted by their current clubs.
For me, these two typified the trend in the NRL of the stronger clubs getting stronger, and the struggling clubs getting weaker.

 

[ManlyTragic]

No, it's not a typo.
The defection of the two most in-demand players - Blaize and Stefano -- from the two weakest clubs to the two strongest clubs again highlights that the salary cap is failing its intended purpose: to even out the competition.
What the NRL has become replicates the English Premier League where each season just 4-5 clubs are a realistic chance of winning the premiership.
Wests have become a 'feeder clubs' for others (admittedly, Manly has been a beneficiary) and it is not healthy.
Trying to equalize clubs based solely on a set amount of money spent does not work because they are so many ways to subvert the system. Plus, poorly performing clubs have to pay a premier to attract/keep players.
A points system should replace the money system, with each club's roster to stay within a designated points cap.
As to who decides the relative points value for each player, which would change from season to season, is going to be controversial. Perhaps it's determined by AI based solely on stats, representative honours, junior affiliations . . .
As long as its not administrated by The Bunker I'd be happy.

Sorry but that’s not going to work. It is so subjective. What DCE value changes week by week. What’s TT value when he is injured and out for 6 months…

Just sayin’

 

[Frogz]

Tigers have just rorted the cap right under the NRL noses. Let the Pom go home and top his contract overseas, whilst they now have cash to pre pay some of next years contract for someone. Pretty smart (maybe).

 

[Nordburg]

I used the examples of Blaize and Stefano because they were the two most recent high-profile recruitments. They also were desperately wanted by their current clubs.
For me, these two typified the trend in the NRL of the stronger clubs getting stronger, and the struggling clubs getting weaker.

But they’re high profile due to potential,not what they actually are.
The struggling clubs get weaker due to their off field staff/administration.Look at how the Dogs have turned it around.Good coach and Gould.The Tigers have gone from disaster to disaster due to poor coaching selections and bad choices.They look like they’re turning it around as far as players are concerned.Coach is their problem.Highly doubt Benji is given the job if Richardson was there at the time.

 

[bob dylan]

I used the examples of Blaize and Stefano because they were the two most recent high-profile recruitments. They also were desperately wanted by their current clubs.
For me, these two typified the trend in the NRL of the stronger clubs getting stronger, and the struggling clubs getting weaker.

Yeah this new trend is a worry.

Never seen anything like it except maybe

Branighan an O'Neill in from Souths 1972
Walker, Gray and Healey 1978
Dorahy, Boyd and Brown in from 1980
Barkley, Boustead, Brown, Schubert, McCabe from the Chooks.

I could go on.

 

[mickqld]

Yeah this new trend is a worry.

Never seen anything like it except maybe

Branighan an O'Neill in from Souths 1972
Walker, Gray and Healey 1978
Dorahy, Boyd and Brown in from 1980
Barkley, Boustead, Brown, Schubert, McCabe from the Chooks.

I could go on.

Aahh yes those were the days. How pale the club has become over the last decade compared. Now you have to have pathways and decent talent scouts.

 

[manlyfan76]

Juniors should be under team control at least for first two years of 1st grade.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

The NRL narrative was the purpose of the cap was to stop clubs going bust not to even out the competition. The financial powerbrokers control this comp.

 

[Rocky]

I don't think the salary cap is perfect. The TP payments can circumvent and would love to see them go.

but to be honest this is the most even comp in years, and the reason is that Penrith has lost so much talent due to the cap in the last 3 years. It may not stop them winning this year but things have definitely evened up somewhat.

 

[DUFFMAN]

I have always said there should be a points cap.
Depending on if club level, origin or test player is how your points are allocated, if you decline rep footy you are still graded if you’re picked.

Long term at one team or local junior gets a discount.

Salary caps are easy to cheat, points are impossible

 

[Nordburg]

I have always said there should be a points cap.
Depending on if club level, origin or test player is how your points are allocated, if you decline rep footy you are still graded if you’re picked.

Long term at one team or local junior gets a discount.

Salary caps are easy to cheat, points are impossible

How would a points system work though in regards to valuing Origin players?Kaufusi and Capewell played Origin this year,but are they the same or relatively similar value to Angus Crichton or Liam Martin?Stefano has played Origin,but you’re not paying him the same as other Origin props.The NRL have notional value for each player,for whatever that’s worth,but not all players are the same.
Jerome Luai is a good example.He’s worth $1 million to the Tigers but he’s not worth $1 million to the Panthers.How do you devise a points system with those sort of variables?

 

[Leader of the Flock]

The NRL have notional value for each player,for whatever that’s worth,but not all players are the same.
Jerome Luai is a good example.He’s worth $1 million to the Tigers but he’s not worth $1 million to the Panthers.How do you devise a points system with those sort of variables?

I’d suggest in a points based system that you don’t worry about the monetary value of the player at all, just use a points system, say calculated and published annually at a set time before the season starts(maybe post GF and prior to preseason or 01 January) and remove any reference to what their salary is worth. The player would keep their points value for a calendar year, that should also allow for changes in points value due to rep duties adding to the players value, their experience levels(rookie, 10 year veteran, etc), local junior or repeated non selection for rep duties after having previously been a rep player, say 3 years, and also it’d have to account for players who decline rep duties.

Also, make it clear to the clubs that you can pay your roster, both individually and collectively, whatever they want, but with with the caveat that the club must remain financially viable or they forfeit their licence, colours and emblems with no chance of reissue, ever, and that their roster must comply with the total points value at all times. That should reign in some of the stupid ways that clubs have been organising their rosters and their businesses in the past.

There’d have to be a published list of a players points value, so that mid season transfers are accounted for and with trade windows. I’m unsure how the RPLA would react about the trading that would have to take place and the players lifestyle stability but the uncapped salary would be attractive to them I’m sure. I’m guessing that this would align the NRL with many other professional sports with player trading with regard to player movements.

Anyway, just my thoughts.

 

[The Who]

I’d suggest in a points based system that you don’t worry about the monetary value of the player at all, just use a points system, say calculated and published annually at a set time before the season starts(maybe post GF and prior to preseason or 01 January) and remove any reference to what their salary is worth. The player would keep their points value for a calendar year, that should also allow for changes in points value due to rep duties adding to the players value, their experience levels(rookie, 10 year veteran, etc), local junior or repeated non selection for rep duties after having previously been a rep player, say 3 years, and also it’d have to account for players who decline rep duties.

Also, make it clear to the clubs that you can pay your roster, both individually and collectively, whatever they want, but with with the caveat that the club must remain financially viable or they forfeit their licence, colours and emblems with no chance of reissue, ever, and that their roster must comply with the total points value at all times. That should reign in some of the stupid ways that clubs have been organising their rosters and their businesses in the past.

There’d have to be a published list of a players points value, so that mid season transfers are accounted for and with trade windows. I’m unsure how the RPLA would react about the trading that would have to take place and the players lifestyle stability but the uncapped salary would be attractive to them I’m sure. I’m guessing that this would align the NRL with many other professional sports with player trading with regard to player movements.

Anyway, just my thoughts.

Spot on.
My only suggestion is that the points are calculated by an AI-generated computer program so that we don't have Annusly trying to justify it weekly.

 

[The Who]

A points system would be transparent; everyone would know the allotted value of each club's roster. We have no true idea of what players are paid these days, which is why rosters are so uneven.
As to the claim that the competition is competitive... only three clubs have won the premiership in the last seven seasons. And it's almost certain one of those clubs will win it again this year.

 

[Disco]

I just dont see how a pounts system could work.

Way to many holes in it for me.

 

[mickqld]

The only fair system is a draft. NFL , AFL do it and they don't have the same teams dominating premierships year after year. NRL has become like EPL only a few teams can win a competition. You still might have the odd basketcase clubs but at least they get a fair shot at some decent players particularly up and coming players.