The Elephant in the room

we have obviously butted heads over the years but come on.

you have an intrinsic dislike for 2 of our greatest clubmen of the past 40 years.

I know you have your views on DES and that will never change but to now go at one of our best players for the past 10 years, club captain and a decent bloke that seems to keep his nose clean looks a bit bitter.

without Des and Chez we have at least 1 spoon and a very barren period.

our current situation is NOT because of DCE. and if you run with the idea that the fish rots at the head ( al la your love of Hasler not) then Seibold has to take some responsibility. he wasn't an upgrade and is proving that. next year without DCE could be a very empty bucket.

If Seibold misses the finals this year do we call a spade a spade?
IF......

The club had some spark before DCE announcement.

Ever since, club, the coach, the playing group, supporters, everyone has appeared a bit flat.

Whether intentional or not, DCE's actions might be viewed as kind of a little kick in the guts to all, when it's coming from your Captain, a rep player, the club's most capped player.

As much as Seibs may not be Ciraldo, I find it hard to put the blame on him....

I guess it's his job to try and breathe some life back into the season, regardless of the cause of the lull. He doesn't really have the luxury of sending DCE to the Bulldogs or roosters early.

Our best play at ATM is the energy and excitement of youth. Injuries great so not a problem ATM. Get some kids in there. The sooner players stop thinking, stop sulking and just get back to playing a game with some passion the better.
 
we have obviously butted heads over the years but come on.

you have an intrinsic dislike for 2 of our greatest clubmen of the past 40 years.

I know you have your views on DES and that will never change but to now go at one of our best players for the past 10 years, club captain and a decent bloke that seems to keep his nose clean looks a bit bitter.

without Des and Chez we have at least 1 spoon and a very barren period.

our current situation is NOT because of DCE. and if you run with the idea that the fish rots at the head ( al la your love of Hasler not) then Seibold has to take some responsibility. he wasn't an upgrade and is proving that. next year without DCE could be a very empty bucket.

If Seibold misses the finals this year do we call a spade a spade?
And no doubt we’ll be hitting heads for a while longer.

My thoughts on the issue with our captain are in many threads, like yours it’s an opinion.

You have one , I have one , you’re not changing yours , I’m not changing mine.

Trying to “ butt heads “ further will only create angst and I’d rather my days filled with less angst these days .
 
LOOK DCE is not the blame its the whole team. Also from last to 1st is only 4wins, and we only lost to Warriors 4th, Storms 2nd, Sharks 6th, Dragons 7th. We've beaten Raiders who're 3rd by 30pts lost last2 by 2pts & a try, most teams on top already had the bye except us. So chilled da FU@#$%K outlook at the stats win this one we'll be 2nd. Also the comp this year the comp is so close only 4 wins from 1st to last. C'MON MANLY WARRINGAH SEA EAGLES get your ****TT straight
 
LOOK DCE is not the blame its the whole team. Also from last to 1st is only 4wins, and we only lost to Warriors 4th, Storms 2nd, Sharks 6th, Dragons 7th. We've beaten Raiders who're 3rd by 30pts lost last2 by 2pts & a try, most teams on top already had the bye except us. So chilled da FU@#$%K outlook at the stats win this one we'll be 2nd. Also the comp this year the comp is so close only 4 wins from 1st to last. C'MON MANLY WARRINGAH SEA EAGLES get your ****TT straight
Agree not the total blame, but , you cannot deny his charade hasn’t helped and his attitude seems to be contagious
 
And no doubt we’ll be hitting heads for a while longer.

My thoughts on the issue with our captain are in many threads, like yours it’s an opinion.

You have one , I have one , you’re not changing yours , I’m not changing mine.

Trying to “ butt heads “ further will only create angst and I’d rather my days filled with less angst these days .

So your days of telling other posters how they should post are over?
 
Not a chance we're spooners, not a F@#$Ken chance, as i said B4,4wins from 1st and we don't have a bye yet. A win this week we'll b 2nd, lost we'll b 3rd so CHILL da heck out
 
We won’t be spooners , but I see us firmly entrenched in the bottom 8 for the foreseeable future.

Maybe if we get some players back from injury , and Tom stays fit , we’ll push for a higher spot.

But what has happened , and will continue to happen for a while , has killed any chance of top 4.
 
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We won’t be spooners , but I see us firmly entrenched in the bottom 8 for the foreseeable future.

Maybe if we get some players back from injury , and Tom stays fit , we’ll push for a higher spot.

But what has happened , and will continue to happen for a while , has killed any chance of top 4.
That's five games in 25 days. The NRL has never been more demanding and we talk about player welfare and wellbeing and so on and I just don't understand how… not only five games in 25 days but three in 11 days,” Seibold said after his side's 20-18 loss to the Dragons on Thursday night

And no Turbo
And a lack of props.
 

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