The Daly Cherrygraph

[Jay Eagle]

Here's a bet...
DCE signs 2 year deal with the Roosters for $3 mill (1.5 per season)... with a 3rd year option in his favour
And a coaching gig with the Roosters ..alla Cronk

This grub has done this deal months ago, and that's why he "couldn't" take MANLYS 2 year offer, its half the price as a he knows this because he knows our cap situation and that's all we have left.

Now I wouldn't be calling him a grub if he had only come out and told it as it is.. not go on live TV dressed in civis and announce he's leaving the club without anyone knowing.
And I suspect it's because on that very day earlier..peter Gentle contacted his manager wanting to put a deal to him..So DCE thought rather than the media know Manly want me and have made an offer im coming out first to tell everyone .. manly didn't want me. Putting his own spin on it all.

 

[frank stokes]

Dunno if the club were doing that though - if we believe what both parties have said, DCE told the club he was leaving at the end of this season, possibly retiring or heading overseas.

From the language used ("we respected his wishes & held off making an offer") it sounds to me that DCE used it as a way of discouraging the club from making him an offer, so he can't complain that they didn't make an offer.

Anyway, I'm more inclined to believe the most recent article posted on the previous page - that the club made him a 1 year offer for $750k & that wasn't enough for him. It sounds about right given our salary cap situation with DCE, Haumole & the Turbos on big $$$ & our recent extension of Hopoate. Plus all news about it prior to DCE's announcement on Monday night was saying the sticking point was 1 year vs 2 years.

I think the club knew they couldn't offer DCE what he wanted & instead of wearing that & looking for another club for when his current contract expires, he pushed for an early release so he could sign a big contract with the roosters. The club wouldn't let him break his current contract to leave a season early & he's spat the dummy & made his big announcement without letting the club know.

Unfortunate, but can't be undone now & we move on.

I agree with you… I just believe the club should have actually tabled an offer a hell of a lot earlier (probs when Chez was agitating for a release) and then accepted acceptance / refusal… they still could of negotiated but it would have made the club’s position clear and they could have got this sorted a lot earlier…

I just feel the club was being unrealistic in their expectations and unprofessional by never actually tabling an offer… I suspect they thought the squad they were building would get results and Chez would reconsider…

either way, they wanted to have their cake and eat it too - they played chicken with a freight train and ended up getting splattered (all over the front pages)… I think their intentions were good but their execution was sh*tty - and the more I think about it that probably is on Gentle rather than Mestrov…

 

[frank stokes]

Here's a bet...
DCE signs 2 year deal worth the Roosters for 3mill... worth a 3rd year option in his favour
And a coaching gig with the Roosters ..alla Cronk

This grub has done this deal months ago, and that's why he "couldn't" take MANLYS 2 year offer, its half the price as a he knows this because he knows our cap situation and that's all we have left.

I do not understand how he is a grub for taking an offer that is twice as much as Manly are willing to pay him… if Manly don’t have the coin then that is based on recruitment decisions made by Manly - which is their prerogative… but I can’t see how that makes Chez a grub for taking such a substantial upgrade elsewhere… is he lying? Yep, probably… but London-to-a-brick that the club is also…

 

[The Who]

1000% your opinion with no hard facts to back up that thought.

You walk into work next week and they offer ypu 50% of your salary just because you are at the end of your career regardless of how good you are at your job.....

i recon youd leave too and torch your boss and company on way out.

Wouldn't you organise a job with another employer first?

 

[The Who]

I do not understand how he is a grub for taking an offer that is twice as much as Manly are willing to pay him… if Manly don’t have the coin then that is based on recruitment decisions made by Manly - which is their prerogative… but I can’t see how that makes Chez a grub for taking such a substantial upgrade elsewhere… is he lying? Yep, probably… but London-to-a-brick that the club is also…

What I am filthy about is the way he belittled the club and, by association, we supporters. Why didn't he do it in conjunction with the club where DCE would have come out of it agreeing: "The money was just too good to pass up."
The club would have bemoaned the fact there was simply not sufficient Cap space, and praised him for his champion service.
Everybody would understand that Easts have unlimited funds.
Instead, he deliberately disrespected the club by declaring: "I'll never play for Manly after this season."
He's ruined my high opinion of him as a person.

 

[frank stokes]

Wouldn't you organise a job with another employer first?

Yeah it seems highly doubtful but then, the guy is loaded anyways and is probably highly confident he will get some offer if he wants to play on (even if it is overseas)

No doubt this played out the way it did due to butt hurt though…

 

[frank stokes]

What I am filthy about is the way he belittled the club and, by association, we supporters. Why didn't he do it in conjunction with the club where DCE would have come out of it agreeing: "The money was just too good to pass up."
The club would have bemoaned the fact there was simply not sufficient Cap space, and praised him for his champion service.
Everybody would understand that Easts have unlimited funds.
Instead, he deliberately disrespected the club by declaring: "I'll never play for Manly after this season."
He's ruined my high opinion of him as a person.

Fair enough, I have no problem with that argument… imo this must have got personal between Chez and the recruitment team / management - only ‘reason’ I can see… not saying he did the right thing…

I think the “money hungry grub” angle is a bit of a laugh though because, faced with $1.5M v $3M for 2 years work, I can almost guarantee that 98%(or higher) of ST takes the $3M…

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

Wouldn't you organise a job with another employer first?

You would, but you also in his position know there are 34 positions available in the NRL for starting halves, and there are probably only a dozen in the upper tier, of which he is one, so there is never going to be any issue getting a deal if wanted as there are many desperate coaches and CEOs desperate for an instant fix to save their skins

 

[Chunky]

I don't understand how anyone is blaming the club and not this guy based on what has come out so far.

It's obvious that DCE has signed somewhere else and did so 12 months ago. He has lied to the club and said he wasn't sure what he was doing and the club has respected that and given him time, then made what was a pointless offer.

You don't come out and say "I want to play on but not there" without having a guarantee of something else. You always also don't disrespect your teammates and the fans by doing it the way he has done.

I know we made him a desperation offer back in 2015 or whenever it was, but he sure didn't say then "oh no, that's too much, pay me less".

And I am sick of this narrative that these guys only have a limited time in the game so they need to make as much as they can. The guy is 37 and has made 10 times what the majority of people will make in their careers. And he has another 30 years to get a "real" job. Life and work doesn't end when they stop playing the game.

I have a team this weekend that have 16 guys that I really want to support, and I will hope they go well. But it'll be without me watching, because I cannot watch and support a player, not just any player but the captain, who has such a massive disregard for this club. MY club. OUR club.

Also, please never compare anyone at our great club to Smith and Slater. Who knows how many contracts they were paid under. Likely more than 1.

 

[manly al]

What I am filthy about is the way he belittled the club and, by association, we supporters. Why didn't he do it in conjunction with the club where DCE would have come out of it agreeing: "The money was just too good to pass up."
The club would have bemoaned the fact there was simply not sufficient Cap space, and praised him for his champion service.
Everybody would understand that Easts have unlimited funds.
Instead, he deliberately disrespected the club by declaring: "I'll never play for Manly after this season."
He's ruined my high opinion of him as a person.

Sure that would have made all the difference if he would have given a clear indication of his intentions late last year or so and everybody could have just come to terms with and accepted it respectfully and just got on with things .
And especially for the club 's benefit on future planning .
Anyway , just have to hope that the professional side of D C E kicks in and he can again play or try to play to his best level for the remainder of this season .

 

[Nambawan]

Chez has 3 daughters he is looking to set up… good luck to him…

nobody handed him an NRL career - he put the hours in in the gym, pounded the pavement for 20 years, played 300-odd games at the elite level and, like it or not, he has earnt the right to make his coin…

Could have handled it better but whatever…

Agree, but will still be very sad to see him run out with a different club.

 

[The '47ers]

Also, please never compare anyone at our great club to Smith and Slater. Who knows how many contracts they were paid under. Likely more than 1.

Yeah I had to laugh when people using Smith and Slater on here about this, nearly as funny as people using Weidler, Hopper and Buzz as gospel speakers!

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

Taking all the spin away this comes down Manly not being able to afford him. It is that simple. If Dylan Brown is going to get paid 1.3 million next year surely DCE is worth closer to 1.5 million on a 2 year contract. The best we could do is offer him half that. It is really a lot to ask or expect someone to take those kind of unders. Very very few would do this. I think the club however would have been stupid to offer him another million $ plus contract and sacrifice more up and coming talent. The ugly aspect of this is how it has been handled from both sides. An example of text book stupidity…again from both sides ( DCE and the club) ….but it’s time to move on.

 

[The Who]

Fair enough, I have no problem with that argument… imo this must have got personal between Chez and the recruitment team / management - only ‘reason’ I can see… not saying he did the right thing…

I think the “money hungry grub” angle is a bit of a laugh though because, faced with $1.5M v $3M for 2 years work, I can almost guarantee that 98%(or higher) of ST takes the $3M…

Airing dirty laundry in public is not THE MANLY WAY.

 

[Wombat64]

What is the long service salary cap discount Manly get on DCE? 150 or 200k.
Manly offered him 700 - 750k per year. Or 500 - 550 off the salary cap

No wonder he he leaving and no wonder no clubs offered him a deal last year as Manly were in the driver's seat well and truly.

Simple fact, Manly did not want to keep him by low balling him.

Smarter people than me might know more but the way I understand it, is that the long service discount is a maximum of I think around $300K per club and it doesn't apply to one specific player. It is just something general across the club's cap.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Airing dirty laundry in public is not THE MANLY WAY.

enough, I have no problem with that argument… imo this must have got personal between Chez and the recruitment team / management - only ‘reason’ I can see… not saying he did the right thing…

I think the “money hungry grub” angle is a bit of a laugh though because, faced with $1.5M v $3M for 2 years work, I can almost guarantee that 98%(or higher) of ST takes the $3M…

Mate, you are either delusional or so infatuated with DCE that you just continue ignoring the obvious. Chez has form when it comes to being a shifty little operator. Every contract negotiation bar one has been a public distraction, carried out in such selfish fashion as teammates and organisations were tossed into a ditch while DCE scoured the landscape for extra dollars.

His resume in division and betrayal is a beauty. He fractured our last great premiership winning team by demanding two contract upgrades through the press, screwed over a club legend in Geoff Toovey, paraded himself with wifey outside the Sharks club before betraying the Gold Coast Titans in his ongoing charade, and now he has saved his finest work for round 3 of this year, a DCE masterpiece in publicly pooing upon the club he captains and has received 13 million dollars from.

Is it any wonder he was hated by legendary SOO players who saw him as disloyal, or the fact he became a Qld player booed by Queenslanders. DCE is a very good footy player. Sadly, DCE is an immortal at scheming and lying when contract time arrives. How I wish it was the other way around.

 

[frank stokes]

Airing dirty laundry in public is not THE MANLY WAY.

After some of the sh*t that has gone on at Manly over the last decade or so..

• Max
• stilletos
• Foz 3rd party
• DCE backflip
• Barrett and plastic chairs
• rainbow gate
• fainus
• Schu
• etc etc

…some might argue it is EXACTLY the Manly Way…

 

[frank stokes]

Mate, you are either delusional or so infatuated with DCE that you just continue ignoring the obvious. Chez has form when it comes to being a shifty little operator. Every contract negotiation bar one has been a public distraction, carried out in such selfish fashion as teammates and organisations were tossed into a ditch while DCE scoured the landscape for extra dollars.

His resume in division and betrayal is a beauty. He fractured our last great premiership winning team by demanding two contract upgrades through the press, screwed over a club legend in Geoff Toovey, paraded himself with wifey outside the Sharks club before betraying the Gold Coast Titans in his ongoing charade, and now he has saved his finest work for round 3 of this year, a DCE masterpiece in publicly pooing upon the club he captains and has received 13 million dollars from.

Is it any wonder he was hated by legendary SOO players who saw him as disloyal, or the fact he became a Qld player booed by Queenslanders. DCE is a very good footy player. Sadly, DCE is an immortal at scheming and lying when contract time arrives. How I wish it was the other way around.

I have absolutely no interest in your opinion or debating with you Biff… back under ya rock old son…

 

[Tim]

How the times have changed we got bagged from piller to post for DCE contact now we get bagged for not offering 1 million plus we are hated and we don't care.

 

[Tim]

I have absolutely no interest in your opinion or debating with you Biff… back under ya rock old son…

We all have to understand loyalty player and club is a thing of the past is all business now and it's the loyal fan's that suffer now that's it.We probably have the last family in the turbos from the old way of thinking.