The Daly Cherrygraph

[Jay Eagle]

Yeah, there may have been a point where Chez went “You will offer me a contract when someone else does? Well, guess what? I ain’t telling you sh*t!”

Only sense I can make of this crap…

I am convinced of one thing, they are all lying that there is no animosity… how could there possibly not be when it has got to this point? They must all think people are thick…

I'm pretty sure the club would want to come out and unload on DCE .. but they can't.. and the reason they can't is we still have a season ahead of us..
Can you Imagine the vibe let alone the fall out within the team if all the facts came out now.
I also think the club is in damage control and doesn't want to be seen as "giving it to a club legend" otherwise I'm pretty sure they are filthy at what's actually transpired.
They had a plan and that's pretty clear for all to see.
1 DCE retires on his terms
2 DCE gets to mentor the new halves that club has just cherrypicked as future successors, the club may have even thought of DCE plays on in 26 the youngsters have time.
3 DCE gets a coaching gig and has a future with the club
Those 3 things im 100% certain of.. what the club didn't see coming was DCEs mindset when the big bucks are being thrown around and how deceitful he can actually be.
Dylan Brown getting 1.3mil a year was the catalyst for his deceitful decision to walk away from the club even though he was FULLY AWARE of where he stood within the club.. unfortunately the club was not fully aware of where they stood with DCE.

All that BS about putting Joey Walsh's locker next to his..was his call.. he knew where the club stood and they gave him free reign.

So let's not pretend anything other than this is all on DCE

 

[Chouncey]

Does anyone else think I might be the Broncos? His new manager has ties to the club.

 

[frank stokes]

Let’s see what happens if and when he goes to 7. You might be right. But I maintain (and have been saying for years) that DCE was not a great captain. Good player when things are going his way, but not great (in fact poor) when they’re not. Compare that to Cleary who can and has basically singlehandedly pulled a game out of the fire for his team - a GF no less.

Agree… Cleary is a freak and Chez has not proven himself to be a Cronk-type player either… but he is a very good halfback and (imo) he has Brooks well covered…

 

[frank stokes]

I'm pretty sure the club would want to come out and unload on DCE .. but they can't.. and the reason they can't is we still have a season ahead of us..
Can you Imagine the vibe let alone the fall out within the team if all the facts came out now.
I also think the club is in damage control and doesn't want to be seen as "giving it to a club legend" otherwise I'm pretty sure they are filthy at what's actually transpired.
They had a plan and that's pretty clear for all to see.
1 DCE retires onnhis terms
2 DCE gets to mentor the new halves that club has just cherrypicked as future successors
3 DCE gets a coaching gig and has a future with the club
Those 3 things in 100% certain of.. what the club didn't see coming was DCEs mindset when the big bucks are being thrown around and how deceitful he can actually be.
Dylan Brown getting 1.3mil a year was the catalyst for his deceitful decision to walk away from the club even though he was FULLY AWARE of where he stood with the club.. unfortunately the club was not fully aware of where they stood with DCE.

All that BS about putting Joey Walsh's locker next to his..was his call.. he knew where the club stood and they have him free reign.

So let's not pretend anything other than this is all on DCE

Browns contract was months after this sh*t blew up by the sound of it… the club were holding out to see how low they could go - no contract offered until Monday and even then they got as ‘high’ as $750K…

The club decided to play a risky game by letting Chez go to market thinking they could potentially get a lower price and, at worst, they could try to match any offer… Chez (possibly) got offended and has decided to go “up yours” to the club…

Everyone is lying at least a little bit and probably some more than others - none of them have played this particularly well imo..

 

[globaleagle]

That will change when he goes to 7…

Watch some of his old tigers games if you want a fair comparison… did a LOT of the things that you are bagging Chez about… creative halves need to create opportunities and they do not always come off… sometimes they look like idiots… but Chez is light years ahead of Brooks in game management and his kicking game is next-level to Brooks…

Which is why one has played SOO and represented Australia and the other, despite the years of hype as a youngster, never will…

Did Robbie Farrah ever pass the ball though?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I find the whole situation somewhat bizarre.
He's still not even sure if he will play on next year, though he wants to (he says)
This leads me to think leaving Manly is not really about footy but more likely about post-footy.

Seeing everyone is speculating about this that and the other... how about this one: DCE is pissed off that Manly - specifically the Manly money man Penn - has not been forthcoming with offers of fantastic post-footy wealth befitting a club legend. Or at least the level of post-footy inducement that Politis and now Laundy is assumed by the entire footy world to offer their players.
Makes no sense to me that this has anything to do with Seibold, or even with Mestrov and the club negotiators, based on what Mestrov says.

Whatever, I'm just about over all this hoo-haa already. Just play a bloody game of footy and smash the eels please, that's what your there for!

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

To me, the bottom line is simple - most of us are annoyed at how obvious it is that DCE is basically self-centred (rightly or wrongly). We are all supports of a CLUB. The great MANLY WARRINGAH!! We love the ‘club’. We’d like to imagine that our players also LOVE the club. Especially our captain and a player who’s been here for 15 years. But the bottom line is, he doesn’t - well not enough to maybe take less money or overcome a little tiff, or whatever the issue is. His choice - again, rightly or wrongly. That’s why players like the turbos (whatever you think of their standard of play) are a rarity and IMO invaluable. They do LOVE the club like we do. That’s rare. Supporters can get behind that. You won’t see those boys going on TV to announce they’re going to another club. They just wouldn’t.

It goes both ways, the people running the club you’d like to love the club the as well, and there have been many examples over the years that can put that into questions

You’d only find a handful of people who love the club and put more into it on the park than Geoff Toovey. Penn has no interest in Tooveys love for the club when he stabbed him in the back

 

[nightster]

I find the whole situation somewhat bizarre.
He's still not even sure if he will play on next year, though he wants to (he says)


Whatever, I'm just about over all this hoo-haa already. Just play a bloody game of footy and smash the eels please, that's what your there for!

I'm betting he will play & most likely for the Rorters but I totally agree with all the above .

 

[manly al]

Guess one concern is whether D C E may consciencely or even sub consciencely go into some form of a self preservation mode body and footy wise soon or for the remainder of the season with his most likely intention or plans to take up a lucrative deal elsewhere for 26 and 27 .
And whenever he may intend to out pen to paper or even unofficially accept an offer sooner or latter and be in the best possible shape to warrant a big scale pay deal .
Form or necessary form quite relevant too of course and at least that would be in Manly 's favor in the general sense
Primarily in the area of putting his body on the line either in attack or defence .
Only 3 games into this season and looks like a fairly committed outlook so far , just the question whether that can continue .
Players like Foz and regardless of the circumstances, just would not happen .
Would like to think the same with D C E and particularly based with his now long and high profile connection with Manly and guess that time will tell .
Still maintain with tax and managers fees factors , not that much of a difference between receiving 750 or 950 K unless there were other inducements on offer elsewhere .
Anyway of course more then just D C E to enable the side to do well now and into the future but still an important cog this season to still hopefully try and produce his best for whatever remaining games he has in Manly colors

 

[Jay Eagle]

Browns contract was months after this sh*t blew up by the sound of it… the club were holding out to see how low they could go - no contract offered until Monday and even then they got as ‘high’ as $750K…

The club decided to play a risky game by letting Chez go to market thinking they could potentially get a lower price and, at worst, they could try to match any offer… Chez (possibly) got offended and has decided to go “up yours” to the club…

Everyone is lying at least a little bit and probably some more than others - none of them have played this particularly well imo..

Mate that's the point.. in December DCE was telling the club.. "I may retire or go overseas"
The club therefore didn't push him

So as of December DCE knew where he stood at Manly and that there was a succession plan he was part of.

Fast forward to Feb/ March and all the talk of the Brown offer and DCE suddenly thinks.. 1.3mill for Brown..what am I worth..
His management already looking at deals and they know he will get the big $$$ from other desperate clubs.. so DCE suddenly "backflips" on his ideas that he discussed with the club back in December..

Yes he's entitled to do so..but boy oh boy talk about the deceitful way he's now going about it.. no wonder the club where in shock

 

[Jay Eagle]

I'm betting he will play & most likely for the Rorters but I totally agree with the last sentence.

He's full of BS...he will play on and already well into talks with other clubs for big $$$

The Dylan Brown contract was the catalyst for everything that's now going on.

 

[Michael Clare]

Mate that's the point.. in December DCE was telling the club.. "I may retire or go overseas"
The club therefore didn't push him

So as of December DCE knew where he stood at Manly and that there was a succession plan he was part of.

Fast forward to Feb/ March and all the talk of the Brown offer and DCE suddenly thinks.. 1.3mill for Brown..what am I worth..
His management already looking at deals and they know he will get the big $$$ from other desperate clubs.. so DCE suddenly "backflips" on his ideas that he discussed with the club back in December..

Yes he's entitled to do so..but boy oh boy talk about the deceitful way he's now going about it.. no wonder the club where in shock

Hope you're wrong, but am worried that you're right!

 

[The Indian]

I remember the atmosphere when Des returned to Brookie and various other people when they left and had to return. But I reckon the day this bloke comes back onto Brookie in his Roosters jersey next year is going to eclipse all records. Once he makes up his minds what he wants to do next year of course.

I'm at least looking forward to that.

 

[frank stokes]

Mate that's the point.. in December DCE was telling the club.. "I may retire or go overseas"
The club therefore didn't push him

So as of December DCE knew where he stood at Manly and that there was a succession plan he was part of.

Fast forward to Feb/ March and all the talk of the Brown offer and DCE suddenly thinks.. 1.3mill for Brown..what am I worth..
His management already looking at deals and they know he will get the big $$$ from other desperate clubs.. so DCE suddenly "backflips" on his ideas that he discussed with the club back in December..

Yes he's entitled to do so..but boy oh boy talk about the deceitful way he's now going about it.. no wonder the club where in shock

Depends which way you look at it I guess…

Why did Chez decide to test the market last year? How was it allowed to get to that point if the club were prioritising him? Why were the club shopping him last year?

If the club put forward a contract offer before November then he may not have needed to test the market… they did not (we know that)… did he test the market because the club would not come to party with 2 yrs?

We all have our thoughts and you are welcome to put it all on Chez mate…

personally I see a lot of holes in the club’s argument and nothing that tells me they ACTIVELY pursued locking him up at Manly last year… even this week the absolute best they could come up with (faced with the prospect of looking like idiots) was 2 yrs at $750K - so what were they actually planning before that?

My guess is it was a 1yr contract that they had in mind and they had to do their best to push that to 2 yrs as they knew by that stage he had no interest in 1 + 1…

And why R3 announcement? Because he was sick of being asked and had long made up his mind he is gone… put it to bed and move on… not saying I agree with how he did that, in fact I think it is f*cked but IIWII…

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

No doubt someone else has pointed this out ( so many posts to read) but the biggest hole in DCE’s story is that he expects people to believe that no club showed any interest in him last year year. If he was really shopped around late last year he would have surely attracted some interest. This is total bull ****e of biblical proportions… I can’t believe the media swallowed this….DCE is just trying to cover his tracks for what ever deal he arranged in the background….

 

[frank stokes]

No doubt someone else has pointed this out ( so many posts to read) but the biggest hole in DCE’s story is that he expects people to believe that no club showed any interest in him last year year. If he was really shopped around late last year he would have surely attracted some interest. This is total bull ****e of biblical proportions… I can’t believe the media swallowed this….DCE is just trying to cover his tracks for what ever deal he arranged in the background….

I agree… I think when the club said “sure, go to market and let us know how that works out for you” (having shopped him and potentially not sounded out much interest), Chez and his manager (having received at least one very decent offer) thought “f*ck those pricks at Manly”, decided he was leaving and used the ‘retirement or overseas’ crap to stall…

Jmo but I agree he is FOS and has something (possibly multiple offers) on the table (or under it maybe)

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Can't see DCE hanging up the cue now. He knows that would be a real bad look and would potentially hurt his brand.

 

[frank stokes]

Guess one concern is whether D C E may consciencely or even sub consciencely go into some form of a self preservation mode body and footy wise soon or for the remainder of the season with his most likely intention or plans to take up a lucrative deal elsewhere for 26 and 27 .
And whenever he may intend to out pen to paper or even unofficially accept an offer sooner or latter and be in the best possible shape to warrant a big scale pay deal .
Form or necessary form quite relevant too of course and at least that would be in Manly 's favor in the general sense
Primarily in the area of putting his body on the line either in attack or defence .
Only 3 games into this season and looks like a fairly committed outlook so far , just the question whether that can continue .
Players like Foz and regardless of the circumstances, just would not happen .
Would like to think the same with D C E and particularly based with his now long and high profile connection with Manly and guess that time will tell .
Still maintain with tax and managers fees factors , not that much of a difference between receiving 750 or 950 K unless there were other inducements on offer elsewhere .
Anyway of course more then just D C E to enable the side to do well now and into the future but still an important cog this season to still hopefully try and produce his best for whatever remaining games he has in Manly colors

I think he will be fine… does not play like Foz and generally does not get injured… I can’t see him packing up shop…

 

[The Indian]

I agree… I think when the club said “sure, go to market and let us know how that works out for you” (having shopped him and potentially not sounded out much interest), Chez and his manager (having received at least one very decent offer) thought “f*ck those pricks at Manly”, decided he was leaving and used the ‘retirement or overseas’ crap to stall…

Jmo but I agree he is FOS and has something (possibly multiple offers) on the table (or under it maybe)

Well if he wasn't shopping himself around well enough last year already.... on 100% footy on Monday night he put on the knee high black boots, got the botox done, the push up bra, the false eyelashes, the spray tan, updated his tinder profile......


Safe to say he's pulled out of the stops now.

 

[Seagles68]

So, here's my 2c worth on the issue.

Why announce it now, after 3 rounds and a good win, when it looks like we are building nicely (even though we haven't played any "contenders" yet)? If the decision was made back in December, why not announce it then?

How and why do you announce it on a TV show before you have told the rest of the squad about it - you know, your teammates, the ones that put in on the field next to you each and every week.

It's blatantly obvious that he either has or is going to sign with another club. I'm different from a lot of people in that I don't think it's the Roosters. I think it's the Dogs. If it's about money, why leave? I wouldn't think any offer we make is massively significantly different to those from other clubs that aren't desperate. I think he wants another premiership. Dogs are way closer than the Roosters.

As for this season - my personal interest in it and following this team this year is gone. I can't watch a team featuring a player that simply has no interest in being at this club that I love. If he was retiring. or announced he had signed elsewhere, then OK. But his comments about how he's not sure but whatever he does it won't be at Manly - I can't support someone like that. And it sucks that this guy holds the record for most games at our club, and not a true legend like Beaver.

I hear what you're saying but as long as the other blokes are putting in, I feel we'd be letting them down if I don't show up.