[Resurrected] Taupau being shopped?

[Disco]

Loan swap for 2022, Lolo for Marty?

They get Marty early. We put Lolo in the shop window before they shift him to the Titans at full freight.

Lolo has a short stint at Manly winning a premiership then off he sails

Ha I can dream

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

Must be looking at different stats to you.

111 run meters for Marty.
114 for Olaka’atu.

21 tackles for Marty.
38 for Bully.

25 post contact meters for Marty.
55 for Olaka’atu.
36 for Sippers.
25 Paseka.

7.92 Avg run meters for Marty.
8.71 for Olaka’atu.
9.27 for Sippers.
9.16 for Paseka.
8 for Keppie.

As our highest paid forward, I’d want more from him than 44mins of the above to be honest.

Stats are like mini skirts, what they show is great, but what they hide is vital

I just like to use that line any opportunity I can

But to bring some relevance back, how many of those mins of his did we actually have the ball ? Stuff all probably, and the metres are harder to come by in the middle of the park off your own line than the later spread wide in the set

For me, there isn’t any positive to the squad for this year moving him on now, and I’m sure we aren’t entertaining that

 

[47MVEagle]

Stats are like mini skirts, what they show is great, but what they hide is vital

I just like to use that line any opportunity I can

Hahaha that's great, I'm stealing that!

 

[mickqld]

Who the hell is going to step in for Marty. We're struggling for go forward as it is and they want to unload him. Utter madness unless the Cows are stupid enough to swap JT for Marty.

 

[Brisbane Tragic]

Must be looking at different stats to you.

111 run meters for Marty.
114 for Olaka’atu.

21 tackles for Marty.
38 for Bully.

25 post contact meters for Marty.
55 for Olaka’atu.
36 for Sippers.
25 Paseka.

7.92 Avg run meters for Marty.
8.71 for Olaka’atu.
9.27 for Sippers.
9.16 for Paseka.
8 for Keppie.

As our highest paid forward, I’d want more from him than 44mins of the above to be honest.

um I hate to be a wet blanket... Bullemor is a backrower - Marty a prop..... Backrowers should do way more tackles than props...... Bullemor played the whole game I think - Marty didn't... the more game time the more tackles you should make....Marty doesn't choose how many minutes he played, Des does... the fact that Marty had way more total metres despite having a lesser average run meters than the other props says that Marty did a hell of a lot more work than the other two and had way more carries... the Big O is a backrower running wide and should have more post contact metres than running into the teeth of the defence... As someone said - very easy to manipulate stats to tell the story you want

 

[Woodsie]

um I hate to be a wet blanket... Bullemor is a backrower - Marty a prop..... Backrowers should do way more tackles than props...... Bullemor played the whole game I think - Marty didn't... the more game time the more tackles you should make....Marty doesn't choose how many minutes he played, Des does... the fact that Marty had way more total metres despite having a lesser average run meters than the other propse says that Marty did a hell of a lot more work than the other two and had way more carries... the Big O is a backrower running wide and should have more post contact metres than running into the teeth of the defence... As someone said - very easy to manipulate stats to tell the story you want

WTF .. are you saying that comparing the stats of a 40 min player against the stats of an 80 min player was a numbnutted thing .

Damn, I was just comparing crokers stats against Lawton's and thinking Carl had a shocker ... 🤣

 

[Brisbane Tragic]

WTF .. are you saying that comparing the stats of a 40 min player against the stats of an 80 min player was a numbnutted thing .

Damn, I was just comparing crokers stats against Lawton's and thinking Carl had a shocker ... 🤣

yes sorry... silly of me to make those rookie errors lol but I didn't say it was numbnutted and I did apologise by saying I was being a wet blanket

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

Hahaha that's great, I'm stealing that!

I stole it from the old Indian cricket commentator Navjot Sidhu

 

[eagle66]

JT is completely disillusioned at The Cows. He'd light it up with support from his coach (something Des is very adept at). My trade would be:

To Cowboys
1. Marty Taupau;
2. Lachlan Croker;
3. Rookie (Weekes) - I KNOW this is a LOT, but Nth QLD have to win as well.

To Manly
1. Jason Taumalolo ($250k Cap hit retained);
2. Jake Granville (to retire at seasons end).

I'd then be grooming Jamie Humphries for DCE's spot (I don't extend DCE), leaving our halves for 2024 as (06. Schuster, 07. Humphries) - and a hell of a lot of cap space.

You got big balls Ryan and I like it

 

[Rocky]

If the Cows wanted a player swap, I'd take Jake Granville in a heartbeat (obviously not as valuable as Marty, but still). He's been coming off the bench for them and he's a specialist hooker. Not as young as he once was (who is?) but I reckon a change of club would do him the world of good.

Is Granville any better a hooker than Lawton? If not, then we definitely don't need another mediocre hooker on the books.

 

[Brisbane Tragic]

Who the hell is going to step in for Marty. We're struggling for go forward as it is and they want to unload him. Utter madness unless the Cows are stupid enough to swap JT for Marty.

absolutely correct

 

[Woodsie]

Poor fella.
Still having issues admitting you were wrong. Thinking of you mate.

Ps - comparing Saabs pros (shiny things I think you called them) with his cons (missed tackles) is all about understanding a players worth in a team. You (incorrectly) thought Saab wasn’t worth it - he proved you wrong in 2021.
With Taupau, his pros (average output for a prop) vs cons (salary cap chunk) is a similar comparison.

Sadly, you seem to miss this point here again.

If you can tell me how his weekend output warrants $800k - I’ll probably agree with you - but I fear you are just missing the whole point yet again and can chalk up another example of being wrong.

I feel for you mate.

Admitting you are wrong appears something you still need to work on.

No, unlike you I am competent with reading and comprehension, and I never entered your current debate over Marty's worth ... other than to point out the absolute stupidity of comparing how many runs, tackles and meters made between a bloke that played 40 mins compared to a bloke that played 80 min in a different position ..

whilst you now wish to deflect attention away from that nonsense by changing topic be aware that people are generally not so easily fooled .

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

My point is pretty simple, Marty’s weekend stats (and all of the past few years) don’t warrant his chunk of the salary cap.

So do we assume if you had been the one negotiating his current deal, Marty wouldn't have been playing for Manly for the last few years.
Who would you have signed instead, and for how much?

 

[KNUCKLES]

How good would it be if Lolo come here! Problem is JT is unhappy because he isn't playing lock. I know potato potatah.. but he is playing prop mins. Where would that leave Jurbo? Vice versa. I think lolo definitely needs a change in order to get back to his best. Jeremiah Nanai would be my other pick for a swap.. but we have to many backrowers as it stands.

 

[globaleagle]

I stole it from the old Indian cricket commentator Navjot Sidhu

Who borrowed it from Aaron Levenstein (though he said bikini).

 

[Woodsie]

How good would it be if Lolo come here! Problem is JT is unhappy because he isn't playing lock. I know potato potatah.. but he is playing prop mins. Where would that leave Jurbo? Vice versa. I think lolo definitely needs a change in order to get back to his best. Jeremiah Nanai would be my other pick for a swap.. but we have to many backrowers as it stands.

Not sure but I think the original problem he had with the new coach was that his minutes were reduced ... I think JT wanted to keep playing 80 but coach had the idea that he would be more effective playing shorter more powerful stints ..

That plan hasn't worked

 

[Ryan]

No, unlike you I am competent with reading and comprehension, and I never entered your current debate over Marty's worth ... other than to point out the absolute stupidity of comparing how many runs, tackles and meters made between a bloke that played 40 mins compared to a bloke that played 80 min in a different position ..

whilst you now wish to deflect attention away from that nonsense by changing topic be aware that people are generally not so easily fooled .

Yup, that's why it's so hard to compare forwards (or any player for that matter) who doesn't play the full 80 minutes, statistically. You can't compare their raw stats. It needs to be average per time on field. Average metres per run. Average post contact metres per run. Then there's other parametres like where they play on the field. What time they stay on the field.

It's a really, really tough exercise.

100% spot on mate, and this is coming from a stats guy. I gave up comparing players statistically (hell, I tried to do it with Croker and current / ex Hookers) but it's HARD.

Regarding Marty: Love, love, LOVE him both on and off the park. Adds leadership, adds control and a calm head (I recall him pulling Suli into line on the field for being a banana). How do you add value to that for example? If I didn't think he was leaving next season, I'd want him extended.

But I'm sure someone like the Cowboys will sign him for 3 years or something. Not sure that's something Manly looks at given our history with ageing vets.

X Can't find that Suli event on youtube, sorry mate.

 

[KNUCKLES]

That

Not sure but I think the original problem he had with the new coach was that his minutes were reduced ... I think JT wanted to keep playing 80 but coach had the idea that he would be more effective playing shorter more powerful stints ..

That plan hasn't worked

That and if I remember correctly I think payten called him out round 1 last year about his performance or something alike in the post match conference. That would give me the ****s too

 

[Woodsie]

Yup, that's why it's so hard to compare forwards (or any player for that matter) who doesn't play the full 80 minutes, statistically. You can't compare their raw stats. It needs to be average per time on field. Average metres per run. Average post contact metres per run. Then there's other parametres like where they play on the field. What time they stay on the field.

It's a really, really tough exercise.

100% spot on mate, and this is coming from a stats guy. I gave up comparing players statistically (hell, I tried to do it with Croker and current / ex Hookers) but it's HARD.

Regarding Marty: Love, love, LOVE him both on and off the park. Adds leadership, adds control and a calm head (I recall him pulling Suli into line on the field for being a banana). How do you add value to that for example? If I didn't think he was leaving next season, I'd want him extended.

But I'm sure someone like the Cowboys will sign him for 3 years or something. Not sure that's something Manly looks at given our history with ageing vets.

X Can't find that Suli event on youtube, sorry mate.

Your points about stats are well made and true.. they always require an explanation in regard to qualification and quantitative assessment.

We disagree on Marty .. I have been critical of him for several years .. even took a lot of flack from the usual suspects ... it's not that he is bad or terrible .. just that he is not my type of prop .. I prefer players with more emotional investment.

 

[Woodsie]

That
That and if I remember correctly I think payten called him out round 1 last year about his performance or something alike in the post match conference. That would give me the ****s too

Strange move by a rookie coach to come in and immediately target a player that has just been given a 10 year million dollar contract and named world's best forward.

Can't understand why you would want to completely change his game and then publicly chastise him.

Got bigger gonads than me..