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Stats breakthrough that won Manly the competition

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Phantar, Dec 16, 2011.

  1. Phantar

    Phantar Well-Known Member

    +273 /0
  2. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan

    +2,125 /14
    So the question begs is 2V going to keep using the CVR
  3. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

    +2,376 /60
    So Des believes KPIs ARE necessary in evaluating performance.
  4. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +19,025 /367
    May help in judging an individual player but not a Team.
    A tableing of the two 2008 GF Teams would be a clear case of CVR not being an indicator of outcome.

    Lets hope that 2v factors in more attitude to the weighting :)
  5. arty

    arty Active Member

    +31 /0
    Can he avoid using them? But who will be actually providing all this information for Tooves? Has a statistician been appointed yet for 2012?
  6. Phantar

    Phantar Well-Known Member

    +273 /0
    I saw 'Moneyball' a few weeks back and at the time I couldn't help but draw parallels between Billy Bean's predicament at the start of the film and Hasler's, when the latter took over as coach from Sharp.
  7. winnyason

    winnyason Well-Known Member

    +1,086 /76
    i am really sick of the dogs saying, we want to be like manly blah this hodgkinson now. Really i hjope we give these pricks a toweling hasler has moved on but for the way i see it they are in blue and white we are in maroon and white we have 9 test internationals in our team, so comparing is easy ennis and hodgkinson maybe the **** outside backs may hinder them in 2012 josh morris, goodwin, turner, barba oh please what a joke, they are nothing like manly.
  8. Frogz

    Frogz Well-Known Member Premium Member

    +1,931 /43
    Do we still have this analyst or did he go as well
  9. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +10,543 /214
    CVR won't be enough for Des to get the Doggies up this year, he would need CPR.
  10. Masked Eagle

    Masked Eagle Well-Known Member

    +976 /0
    Was about to say the same thing. Hmmmmm.
  11. bones

    bones Bones Knows

    +9,037 /102
    I'm pretty sure he went as well.
  12. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member

    +215 /5
    Badel went to the Dogs!!!!!
  13. bob dylan

    bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +6,440 /192
    I can prove that Kingston Town and Phar Lap would be the last 2 placed horses in the maiden mile at Kembla on Saturday.
  14. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

    +560 /20
    Gee, I imagine Chris Bailey was happy this wasn't around when playing for us. ;) What about Buhrer, he played about 2 minutes a game, where does that sit him?
    Metres gained is a hard one for Choc as he runs across ways alot so he's running alot but just not straight. He'd be an Immortal if we had goalposts on the side of a field. :p
  15. WAMF

    WAMF Well-Known Member

    +408 /0
    Bagel. The club had no choice but to let him go after a large hole in his work was discovered.
  16. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

    +2,756 /88
    No - this will be done by the coaching team with the support of a Part Time asisstant
  17. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member Premium Member

    +7,247 /173
    I've seen Moneyball and enjoyed it, and think I have a basic understanding of CVR. But I'm sceptical about the CVRs given for Watmough over the past three seasons.

    For a start, every Manly fan would have been able to tell you that Choc was great in 2009, poor in 2010 and almost back to his 2009 form last season (2011). No need for stats there.

    But, in 2010 he scored 14 tries, opposed to 2 tries last season and 6 in 2009, so CVRs don't rate try scoring highly (good thing CVRs weren't around when Ken Irvine played!).

    If you compare Choc's figures between 2009 and 2011 he improved in five categories, and was only worse in two - slow play-the-balls (because of more wrestling) and tries (6 to 2). Yet his CVR went down - and this after Badel's ratings deemed tries weren't that important.

    Call me a CVR sceptic (not a 'denier') but I wonder if it is really worth all the effort.
  18. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member

    +215 /5
    Stats are a bit like a brief bikini - what they show is sometimes less important that what they cover????
  19. Eagles Terrorist

    Eagles Terrorist Active Member

    +32 /0
    In Watmough's case the errors conceded in 2011 are lower than ever. Add that to his involvement across the board and he's one hell of a MVP.

    These stats are an excellent tool. I reckon.
  20. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

    +1,475 /8
    Very good CW.

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