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Stars won't align

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by swoop, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. swoop

    swoop Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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    Rugby League

    30 Mar 12 @ 04:45pm by Peter Peters

    PREMIERS Manly are in a juggling match from hell right now with five balls in the air and the ability under the strict salary cap guidelines to be only able to catch and retain three balls.

    This is the up to date scenario for Manly fans as the side prepares for what everyone is deeming a dangerous clash with desperate last placed Parramatta at Parramatta Stadium tonight.

    Coach Geoff Toovey and Football manager Steve Gigg are up to their necks in negotiations on an almost daily basis with player managers hell bent on securing the best deals possible for their players.

    It is common knowledge that Manly have a host of star players coming off contracts.

    I am zeroing in on the five big guns in no order of preference…...they are in my opinion the main priorities in the eyes and minds of fans and management.

    The balls in the air and hovering have the names of Brett Stewart, Tony Williams, Kieran Foran, Steve Matai and Matt Ballin on them.

    Four internationals and an Origin representative and all premiership winning performers.

    All have indicated they want to remain at the club and the coach wants them all to remain in maroon and white.

    Realistically it can’t and won’t happen.

    That means there is a weird game of Russian Roulette going on at the moment.It started with the signing of Daly Cherry-Evans last week.

    That took petrol out of the player tank and as each player comes to terms there will be less juice and players will be forced to look elsewhere.

    Williams and Foran are massively in demand from other clubs.They can ask for and easily get well over $450,000 a season.

    They are internationals in their early 20’s and proven match winners.

    It is becoming increasingly clear that perhaps Manly will struggle to keep both.

    Stewart is saying little but I can reveal that cashed up supporters have contacted me offering arranging third party deals - allowable under the rules of the NRL - to retain the Prince of Brookvale.
    I passed the contact onto Stewart’s management and hopefully something positive can eventuate to keep Stewart at Brookvale where he remains a magnet for fans.Stewart and his brother Glenn decided when they were coming through the ranks under the influence of Steve Menzies that they would if possible like to be one club players.

    They also learnt a hard edge in that even a Menzies had a used by date as a player and that wonderful service means little at the end of a career.

    If Glenn Stewart was on the open market at the moment he would command more than $500,000 a season.

    Tony Williams manager Issac Moses had a further meeting with Toovey and Gigg last Wednesday and while no decision was made on the big man’s future it is clear that other clubs are knocking the door down to sign the juggernaut. The Dogs and Eels are leading the charge but Manly aren’t out of the running.

    Williams is keen to work hard during the remaining six weeks of his suspension to come back in the right shape to impress NSW Origin coach Ricky Stuart and his Manly team mates.

    Foran is the joker in the pack.

    Admired greatly by his team mates he is a player of great courage and humility.

    In a nutshell he is vital to the future of the club.

    Opposition clubs know they can rip the heart out of Manly if they can snare him.

    It is the old Ken Arthurson way - take a champion out of a champion team to strengthen your own chances and weaken the enemy.

    He did it in 1972 with John O’Neill and Ray Branighan from Souths and an instant first premiership for Manly followed.

    Foran is a special player and would demand the number six jersey in 95 per cent of the teams in the premiership. Players like him at his age don’t come along that often.

    It is imperative that Manly sign him long term but his manager George Mimis is the best in the business and will use Foran’s get out trigger to the maximum.

    I don’t want to think about the prospect of Foran playing against Manly !

    And the heart and soul players Steve Matai and Matt Ballin have almost been pushed into the background in all the discussion about players.

    Matai is full on body on the line in every game and a hard man opposition players have nightmares about.

    But he is also a much under rated attacking player and outstanding team man admired greatly by his team mates.

    Matt Ballin is the glue in the middle for Manly.He tackles and plays his heart out in every match and is the player some clubs take for granted simply because of his amazing consistency.

    His work rate is highlighted on the rare occasion that he misses a game.

    They may not demand the going rate of Stewart,Williams and Foran but Matai and Ballin aren’t that far behind in terms of what they can get from other clubs.
    Throw in young talent off contract like Darcy Lussick and the arithmetics simply can’t and won’t add up.

    Average six players at a conservative $400,000 a season and the $2.4 million is a huge hunk out of the salary cap.

    The puzzle will evolve quickly in the next few weeks but take a long hard look at the 2012 team photo because the champion team is about to have a changed look.

    Unlike some I am not willing to sheet the blame anywhere.

    It is a fact of life in modern day Rugby League that the salary cap hits the top teams hardest. It’s why we haven’t seen a back to back winner for a long time.

    Geoff Toovey’s 2012 side is capable of doing just that if the side can be close to full strength come finals time.


    I spotted this but I don't know if has been posted before, BE is usually posting news articles. I can't get the submit article to work so apologies Dan.
  2. tookey

    tookey Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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    While we are trying to juggle everyone into a salary cap for next year does the club even know what the cap will be for 2013 and beyond?

    If they don't then how can we be trying to fit everyone under what we don't know?

    To me we need to keep Foran, Williams who are young and will be the future of the club for years to come and that Lyon and Kite are the two oldest and should be allowed to negotiate overseas.
  3. swoop

    swoop Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +1,543 /26
    By the way the greek is talking I think he knows Foran might be playing elsewhere next year.
  4. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +3,877 /65
    Matai isn't off contract is he ?

    Thought he signed for 3 and this year is the 1st of this deal
  5. Volley

    Volley Well-Known Member

    +1,109 /54
    Nup, Lyon needs to stay as long as possible.
  6. Phantar

    Phantar Well-Known Member

    +273 /0
    I read this article on Saturday as another potential attempt at destabilisation by Mr Niccolo Petiavelliers.

    Written as a 'straight forward' presentation of the facts, but just furthering the speculation over players futures.
  7. Cameron

    Cameron Cambo

    +669 /35
    I read it and didn't think that cocks article belongs here. Whiteant
  8. bob dylan

    bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +6,440 /192
    I stopped reading at by Peter Peters.

    Anyone want to give me a one line summary.
  9. Andrew..

    Andrew.. It's better to burn out, than to fade away. 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +2,535 /31
    We can't keep all our players, at least 2 or 3 will have to go...blah blah blah.

    That's the guts of it...nothing new.
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    • bob dylan

      bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

      +6,440 /192
      Cheers manlyfan
    • 1947

      1947 Active Member

      +83 /0
      Jamie Lyon is not going anywhere (thank God).
      He quashed the rumour that he was going to the Warriors on ABC radio over the weekend where he was interviewed. He is staying at Manly. I think after 2013 he will call it a day !!
    • EagleFlys

      EagleFlys Well-Known Member

      +850 /66
      I hope he sticks around to 2015 (form permitting) because when he plays we are a different team.

      Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. (unless its kitey running bum first into a brickwall).
    • dowdz

      dowdz Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

      +1,081 /12
      I also would love to see Killer stick around until 2015
    • The Eagle

      The Eagle Well-Known Member

      +480 /0
      Load of ****,most of those names are close to the 10 year dispensation
    • Chip and Chase

      Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

      +8,598 /80
      I wonder which 0.8 of a team doesn't want him ??
    • voicefromthehill

      voicefromthehill Well-Known Member Premium Member

      +1,608 /13
      Tigers supporters they think they have the best 5/8th, it's the 20% of magpies supporters that realise Benji is an overrated nuffie
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      • tookey

        tookey Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

        +5,796 /186
        Peter Tunks was on the radio this afternoon saying that Parramatta have finalised the signing of Lussick.

        If that is the case then he can **** off the NSw cup for the rest of the year now as his form has been crap.
      • swoop

        swoop Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

        +1,543 /26
        If his form picks up to NRL standard then why would you drop him, this reminds me of the TH a few years a go and we ended up with DCE.

        On the bright side better chance to sign T-rex. That's if it's true.
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        • bones

          bones Bones Knows

          +9,037 /102
          If that's the case I'm also glad that Mauro got to play in the grand final ahead of him last year.
        • lloydy

          lloydy Active Member

          +86 /0
          I hope Parra paid crazy money for him.

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