Pre-Game Souths v Manly [Round 4, 2023]

[The '47ers]

Straight up in Cody Walkers face with some trash talk and that'll be him done for the night.

 

[The '47ers]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2023-manly-v-south-sydney-clash-ignited-by-bitter-rivalry-between-seibold-and-demetriou/news-story/a17536f8b50df8db9b64d8b10b27871b

 

[Woodsie]

Just read that Tom Burgess will become Souff's most capped player with 212 appearances ...

WTF ... they have been going since 1908 ... and the most number of games by one player is just 211 ...

On the otherhand .... Manly since only 1947 ..

• 309, Cliff Lyons (1986–1999)
• 285, Daly Cherry-Evans (2011–)
• 280, Steve Menzies (1993–1999, 2003–2008)
• 278, Anthony Watmough (2003–2014)
• 263, Alan Thompson (1973–1984)
• 256, Des Hasler (1984–1993, 1995–1996)
• 241, Fred Jones (1961–1963, 1965–1975)
• 238, Geoff Toovey (1988–1999)
• 237, Graham Eadie (1971–1983)
• 233, Brett Stewart (2003–2016)
• 230, Steve Matai (2005–2016)
• etc etc

PSS add a zillion games if we were allowed to add the Northern Eagles games to Menzies ..

 

[The '47ers]

Just read that Tom Burgess will become Souff's most capped player with 212 appearances ...

WTF ... they have been going since 1908 ... and the most number of games by one player is just 211 ...

On the otherhand .... Manly since only 1947 ..

• 309, Cliff Lyons (1986–1999)
• 285, Daly Cherry-Evans (2011–)
• 280, Steve Menzies (1993–1999, 2003–2008)
• 278, Anthony Watmough (2003–2014)
• 263, Alan Thompson (1973–1984)
• 256, Des Hasler (1984–1993, 1995–1996)
• 241, Fred Jones (1961–1963, 1965–1975)
• 238, Geoff Toovey (1988–1999)
• 237, Graham Eadie (1971–1983)
• 233, Brett Stewart (2003–2016)
• 230, Steve Matai (2005–2016)
• etc etc

PSS add a zillion games if we were allowed to add the Northern Eagles games to Menzies ..

John Sutton says hello 😉

 

[The '47ers]

As do Adam Reynolds and Nathan Merritt

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Just read that Tom Burgess will become Souff's most capped player with 212 appearances ...

WTF ... they have been going since 1908 ... and the most number of games by one player is just 211 ...

On the otherhand .... Manly since only 1947 ..

• 309, Cliff Lyons (1986–1999)
• 285, Daly Cherry-Evans (2011–)
• 280, Steve Menzies (1993–1999, 2003–2008)
• 278, Anthony Watmough (2003–2014)
• 263, Alan Thompson (1973–1984)
• 256, Des Hasler (1984–1993, 1995–1996)
• 241, Fred Jones (1961–1963, 1965–1975)
• 238, Geoff Toovey (1988–1999)
• 237, Graham Eadie (1971–1983)
• 233, Brett Stewart (2003–2016)
• 230, Steve Matai (2005–2016)
• etc etc

PSS add a zillion games if we were allowed to add the Northern Eagles games to Menzies ..

Yeah it seems anomalous but those decades where we had some players racking up big numbers Souths mostly had crap sides so would have turned over players more often I suppose.
Chooks might be similar

 

[Woodsie]

Yeah it seems anomalous but those decades where we had some players racking up big numbers Souths mostly had crap sides so would have turned over players more often I suppose.
Chooks might be similar

I have been misled ... apologies to all ... here is the actual Souff's list ..

Most First Grade Games for the Club[edit]​

Games played	Player	Years played
336	John Sutton	2004–2019
231	Adam Reynolds	2012–2021
218	Nathan Merritt	2002–2003, 2006–2014
211	Bob McCarthy	1963–1975, 1978
212	Tom Burgess	2013–

Still pretty average compared to Manly ..

 

[rmd]

Manly will try and take Mitchell out of the game by kicking for deep touch (ideally) or corners and Souths will do the same to Turbo.

It's close to the line I worry about, with Walker, Mitchell, Graham and Johnston on their LHS up against DCE, Turbo, Koula and Tuipulotu, however, we also have Olakau'atu out there, and I think Souths may be reticent against running at him.

If Tuipulotu stays on his wing, our defence will be okay, however, if not, I can see Johnston having a 'field day'.

 

[Eagle 1]

Need Bully to really be that point of difference coming of the bench, wasn't quite as effective against Parra as he was against the Bulldogs. Love to see Bully and Ailoai go out there to crash and skittle the opposition and pave the way forward for the likes of Schuster and Tommy to do their stuff.

 

[Sea Eagle 4 Life]

Just read that Tom Burgess will become Souff's most capped player with 212 appearances ...

WTF ... they have been going since 1908 ... and the most number of games by one player is just 211 ...

On the otherhand .... Manly since only 1947 ..

• 309, Cliff Lyons (1986–1999)
• 285, Daly Cherry-Evans (2011–)
• 280, Steve Menzies (1993–1999, 2003–2008)
• 278, Anthony Watmough (2003–2014)
• 263, Alan Thompson (1973–1984)
• 256, Des Hasler (1984–1993, 1995–1996)
• 241, Fred Jones (1961–1963, 1965–1975)
• 238, Geoff Toovey (1988–1999)
• 237, Graham Eadie (1971–1983)
• 233, Brett Stewart (2003–2016)
• 230, Steve Matai (2005–2016)
• etc etc

PSS add a zillion games if we were allowed to add the Northern Eagles games to Menzies ..

And Toovs racked up a few games for the NE.

 

[mickqld]

Need a good win to get back on top of the table. I'm sick to death of hearing all this "Phin" bullsh*t up here already. I'm actually hoping the Broncos flog them but then not by enough to knock us off the top.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

Never forget that rugby league is a simple game for simple men, and that's it's a much easier game to play when you're attacking instead of defending.

For a long time now we have been great with the ball and terrible without it. So we need possession, and we need to use that possession wisely. If we're scoring points, that will lead to more possession and more points, and everything will be sunshine and rainbows (well, maybe not rainbows).

It sounds easy, but chances are things won't go according to plan and there will be a bunch of momentum shifts throughout the game. We will need to withstand those shifts and win the key moments.

Even down on troops, Souths are a good team with big-match experience, and they are very good at playing to their strengths. They will be attacking our edges at every opportunity, and the only way to stop that biting us is by limiting those opportunities.

Can we do it? Will the referees allow us to do it? Remains to be seen.

 

[40 nil]

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Still pretty average compared to Manly ..

The standouts are Fred Jones & Bob McCarthy who played more than 200 plus games before the comp was expanded much. Pre 1967, there were only 10 teams with 2 more added in that year. I think an extra 4 teams were added in 1988.

Since 1971, Souths have won only one premiership and at times have been cellar dwellers. Since 1971, Manly have won eight premierships and all players in your list have won more than one, except for Toovey & DCE. Being in successful teams would be the major reason so many of our players have had long careers with Manly. Another possible reason would be increased salaries post Super League.

 

[mickqld]

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The standouts are Fred Jones & Bob McCarthy who played more than 200 plus games before the comp was expanded much. Pre 1967, there were only 10 teams with 2 more added in that year. I think an extra 4 teams were added in 1988.

Since 1971, Souths have won only one premiership and at times have been cellar dwellers. Since 1971, Manly have won eight premierships and all players in your list have won more than one, except for Toovey & DCE. Being in successful teams would be the major reason so many of our players have had long careers with Manly. Another possible reason would be increased salaries post Super League.

I think the longevity is related to the fact that Manly is a desirable club and Souffs are sh*t garbage.

 

[ShanghaiEagle]

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The standouts are Fred Jones & Bob McCarthy who played more than 200 plus games before the comp was expanded much. Pre 1967, there were only 10 teams with 2 more added in that year. I think an extra 4 teams were added in 1988.

Since 1971, Souths have won only one premiership and at times have been cellar dwellers. Since 1971, Manly have won eight premierships and all players in your list have won more than one, except for Toovey & DCE. Being in successful teams would be the major reason so many of our players have had long careers with Manly. Another possible reason would be increased salaries post Super League.

Good points, but I think it was only the Broncos and Knights that were added in '88.

 

[Brookie Bob]

Olakau'atu plays on the right for Manly, and I recall seeing Cody Walker on the left for the Bunnies.

Send Olakau'atu at Walker in both attack and defense at every opportunity, and watch Walker mentally disintegrate before the game's done.

Also - send Tuilagi out to stop Colour-me-tangy and eradicate the threat on our left side (Tuilagi is big and strong enough), and get Jurbo and Froggy to stick to Murray and IIias (folding them in half frequently), so that Latrine will have to do all the work - which he won't like.

Sounds like a plan......

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Good points, but I think it was only the Broncos and Knights that were added in '88.

The original Old Coast too.

 

[globaleagle]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2023-manly-v-south-sydney-clash-ignited-by-bitter-rivalry-between-seibold-and-demetriou/news-story/a17536f8b50df8db9b64d8b10b27871b

That is some top tier clutching at straws to fill column inches right there.

 

[Eagle 1]

Never forget that rugby league is a simple game for simple men, and that's it's a much easier game to play when you're attacking instead of defending.

For a long time now we have been great with the ball and terrible without it. So we need possession, and we need to use that possession wisely. If we're scoring points, that will lead to more possession and more points, and everything will be sunshine and rainbows (well, maybe not rainbows).

It sounds easy, but chances are things won't go according to plan and there will be a bunch of momentum shifts throughout the game. We will need to withstand those shifts and win the key moments.

Even down on troops, Souths are a good team with big-match experience, and they are very good at playing to their strengths. They will be attacking our edges at every opportunity, and the only way to stop that biting us is by limiting those opportunities.

Can we do it? Will the referees allow us to do it? Remains to be seen.

100%, Possession.. I've been thinking about this also. Bit like a head to head sprint race, first to the line wins. In NRL terms, outscore(try's) your opponent, and with our attack we have the means to do this, putting teams away ruthlessly.

 

[Will on the hill]

This is one of those games where DCE needs to kick for touch more so than attacking kicks. We want to slow this one down as much as possible and repeat sets will be crucial if we can get 3 or 4 of those. Once again like last week we are the better team on paper but we also need to limit their offloads and have more desperation in defence particularly with putting pressure on their kickers and a good old fashioned up and in sliding defence to frustrate the Hell out of them. With Turbo patrolling the back we can nullify their short kicking game as they will try and exploit some of our slower guys.

Bunnies are one of the best attacking teams from set restarts. They love scrums and taps. With their depleted middles I think we need to keep the ball in play as much as possible.