Sin bin

[The better Robbo]

I really think it's time the NRL need to adopt a new rule with sin bins. If the opposing side scores a try while the player is in the bin then that ends the sin bin and the player returns. 10 mins is way too harsh. Remember against warriors earlier this year we scored 3 tries while Blair was in the bin and again on the wknd with jake they scored twice, it happens all the time and its far too great of a penalty to spend 10 mins and can effectively completely ruin a game.
If a try is scored then the player returns.

 

[Fluffy]

Either that or bring back the 5 minute sin bin to give the refs a bit more ability to balance.

 

[HappilyManly]

Either that or apply the same rules for each Team in the game

If Sambo on Parker who was not in possession 5 meters out is not ruled a penalty
therefore
Jake on Gagai who was not in possession 25 meters out is not ruled a penalty

Simple

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Has Annesley given his mea culpa speech yet about the officials missing the Parker shot by Burgess?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Or - let me guess - that hit was legal because Sam thought he was about to grab the ball and he had no time to adjust and pull out of the tackle.
Or - Sam slipped, he wasn't even trying to get Parker, it was a slippery field that night
Or - illegal hits on Parker don't count
I'm sure he'll come up with something.

 

[Chip and Chase]

I swear there was a shoulder charge on Garrick when DCE scored that went unnoticed as well. Consistency is overrated

 

[jbb/james]

You know what. Its time the NRL was stripped of its right to alter rules and interpretations moving forward. There track record is appalling at best yet each year they tamper and tamper and confuse and confuse before sacrificing the lamb before reintroducing the new goat, a better Scapegot.

The IC needs to jump in and STOP the Nrl from being part of any rule discussion . As it is clear there only interest is TV product the game needs to stand firm as a game and NOW

We need a ICommittee set up and paid for by the clubs, qrl, nswrl, etc , via an extra grant. A collaboration of strength and unity as caretakers of the game. Data collectors at all levels possible . No possible mid season rule changers.

This IC should also be in charge of ref training and evaluation and support trials when possible. They would investigate , demote, fire, suspend and promote refs on a national standard. They should be paid signifigantly more but they need to be open to enormous scrutiny

The NRL are just a body of individuals with NO extra rights or knowledges in running the game of Rugby League on a National Level and its about time the game Demands we have a system that does

The only power the NRL has is how they distribute wealth and opportunity to enough clubs to have a silent majority. They are abusing there power and we all know it. The refs are definately part of this system which is currently insulated from scrutiny in the name of Todds law pn Intodgrity as its widely known

Some of these responsabilities have to be removed from individuals and handed back to the game via consensus. Gotta chip away

 

[ellakasmar]

Need a lot of rule overhauls in the off season. First being the obstruction rule!!! Need a grey area so if it has no influence on the try, it is all good

 

[lsz]

To be honest there is a pretty clear correlation between the saturated media cover and the issues in the refs ranks.

 

[Uk eagle]

I swear there was a shoulder charge on Garrick when DCE scored that went unnoticed as well. Consistency is overrated

I was blowing up about that one too but then I remembered that they had to change the rules to allow Billy Slater to play in the grand final

 

[StuBoot]

Need a lot of rule overhauls in the off season. First being the obstruction rule!!! Need a grey area so if it has no influence on the try, it is all good

Kind of like the Rabbits match winning try where one of the Burgi ran straight through the line and took out DCE?

It mostly likely had no influence on the try being scored but we'll never know - but based on the rest of the year and decisions in that game, he was taken out of the defensive line and should've been a penalty.

They had a grey area before, called "ref's interpretation" but we blew up about that due to different interpretations in different games.

I've got no problems with a black and white rule as long as they keep it black and white but they can't even seem to do that.

 

[ManEagle]

I really think it's time the NRL need to adopt a new rule with sin bins. If the opposing side scores a try while the player is in the bin then that ends the sin bin and the player returns. 10 mins is way too harsh. Remember against warriors earlier this year we scored 3 tries while Blair was in the bin and again on the wknd with jake they scored twice, it happens all the time and its far too great of a penalty to spend 10 mins and can effectively completely ruin a game.
If a try is scored then the player returns.

I haven't a problem with the length of the bin, or the tries scored during it, that's the point of the bin, as a deterrent. My problem is with it being used fairly for both teams and applied equally.

If you were to bin a player till the opposition scores, what if the opposition scores from the immediate penalty given for the offence ? The player sent comes straight back on? Meanwhile if the opposition has one sent under same circumstance and don't have a try scored against them for one reason or another, they get gassed for the whole 10 ? Which then bites them harder later in the match having to defend the full 10 compared to the opposition who didn't and for the same breach.

I would just prefer they actually apply the same rules to both teams and enforce those rules fairly.

 

[Pablo]

Either that or bring back the 5 minute sin bin to give the refs a bit more ability to balance.

See that makes perfect sense. And you'd think easily implemented by now. Especially after the debacle that was 2018. Year of the sin bin.
But no, not with our poor excuse of a CEO.

 

[HoldenV8]

He'll probably state it wasn't a try scoring opportunity as this is the "grey" area that can been manipulated.

PS - I do realise it was a legitimate try scoring opportunity.

You win. Annesley said the refs did miss it, but that it wasn't a professional foul because Parker wasn't in a try scoring opportunity.

Not sure how he came to that conclusion considering that Paker was chasing through Walker's kick less than 10 metres out from the line (while at the same time saying that Jake's was warranted because Gagai "was" in a try scoring opportunity 30 metres out and with his team mates looking to pass the other way), but that's what he has said.

 

[HoldenV8]

NRL should never have backed down (due to media/public opinion) when they tried to enforce the rules a few years ago. They should have continued penalising players until they followed the black and white rules we have now. And they should be systematically working through the rulebook to eliminate the grey area wherever possible.

Bingo!!

For years the fans and the media had been screaming that the refs weren't penalising things they should have, e.g. things like incorrect play the balls. So (finally) the NRL decided that that is exactly what the referees would do. Starting in Round 1, 2018 they would actually start enforcing the rules and players would be penalised for breaking them.

Be careful what you wish for......

The first round of the 2018 season went OK and (most) were happy to see the refs actually penalising players. But by round 3 it had completely turned around and the heat from fans and the media was on about referees "nitpicking" when it came to penalties. Too many were being blown and it was killing the game as a spectacle, apparently.

Then came round 4 and the Friday night game on Channel 9 between Cronulla and Melbourne at Shark Park where Matt Cecchin and his offsider Allan Shortall blew an astonishing 33 penalties for the game, 19 for the Sharks and 14 for the Storm. In front of 13,196 fans and a national FTA live television audience, many saw it as Cecchin protesting that they were having to blow too many penalties in the games. It caused a bit of an uproar, so what did the NRL do? In their typical knee-jerk style, they backed down and by and large things went back to how they were previously. Cecchin also paid the price for his "protest" and was immediately dumped from being the games #1 referee (he had been the lead referee in all 3 Origin games and the Grand Final in 2017) to somewhere way down the pecking order, a situation that continues to this day.

@Batty ... I 100% agree with you that the NRL should have stood their ground and forced the players (and coaches) to learn not to break the rules. Once they started doing that the number of penalties would drop because the players would know they couldn't get away with things like not using the foot in the play the ball or having hands on the ball or creeping up offside out wide. And the game would have been better for it. But instead the piss weak mob at NRL HQ backed down all in the name of making the game a better spectacle for those who watched either at the grounds or on television. You see, if the game is a better spectacle.....it attracts $$$, especially from television.

 

[HoldenV8]

The fact is that every single week since he took on the job, Annesley has had to come out and either apologise to clubs and their fans for a referee stuff up (many times costing them a win or at least a chance at a win, e.g. our loss to St Merge in Wollongong earlier this year), or to try and justify some contentious ruling (or non-ruling) that made the headlines.

Has it really got to that point with the referees? And wouldn't that alone show the NRL that things aren't working when Annesley is forced to do that every single week, including through the Finals? If that isn't a red flag to the NRL that the fans (and media) are clearly not happy with the referees (on-field and in the bunker) and how they call the games, what is???

What's Annesley going to do on the Monday following the Grand Final....apologise to the losing side and their fans because a referee blunder cost them a premiership win? Big effing deal, it won't change anything. All it will do is piss a lot of people off that poor refereeing saw one side possibly robbed of a Grand Final win.

Unfortunately though, the NRL has allowed this situation to happen. They have allowed to get things to this point.

 

[Fluffy]

See that makes perfect sense. And you'd think easily implemented by now. Especially after the debacle that was 2018. Year of the sin bin.
But no, not with our poor excuse of a CEO.

and a "short arm" penalty for all of those subjective calls that could be blown 100 times a game, e.g strips, hands in the ruck, crowding etc

Just a 6 again tap after the defensive line is set - still a benefit but far more balance to the crime which impossible for the refs to get correct all the time.

 

[Lyonstomenzies]

Bingo!!

For years the fans and the media had been screaming that the refs weren't penalising things they should have, e.g. things like incorrect play the balls. So (finally) the NRL decided that that is exactly what the referees would do. Starting in Round 1, 2018 they would actually start enforcing the rules and players would be penalised for breaking them.

Be careful what you wish for......

The first round of the 2018 season went OK and (most) were happy to see the refs actually penalising players. But by round 3 it had completely turned around and the heat from fans and the media was on about referees "nitpicking" when it came to penalties. Too many were being blown and it was killing the game as a spectacle, apparently.

Then came round 4 and the Friday night game on Channel 9 between Cronulla and Melbourne at Shark Park where Matt Cecchin and his offsider Allan Shortall blew an astonishing 33 penalties for the game, 19 for the Sharks and 14 for the Storm. In front of 13,196 fans and a national FTA live television audience, many saw it as Cecchin protesting that they were having to blow too many penalties in the games. It caused a bit of an uproar, so what did the NRL do? In their typical knee-jerk style, they backed down and by and large things went back to how they were previously. Cecchin also paid the price for his "protest" and was immediately dumped from being the games #1 referee (he had been the lead referee in all 3 Origin games and the Grand Final in 2017) to somewhere way down the pecking order, a situation that continues to this day.

@Batty ... I 100% agree with you that the NRL should have stood their ground and forced the players (and coaches) to learn not to break the rules. Once they started doing that the number of penalties would drop because the players would know they couldn't get away with things like not using the foot in the play the ball or having hands on the ball or creeping up offside out wide. And the game would have been better for it. But instead the piss weak mob at NRL HQ backed down all in the name of making the game a better spectacle for those who watched either at the grounds or on television. You see, if the game is a better spectacle.....it attracts $$$, especially from television.

Totally agree with everything b you say. Melbourne that season looked shot in the first few rounds as they weren’t getting away with what they normally do. Next thing you know and everything went back to the way it was.

 

[HoldenV8]

Totally agree with everything b you say. Melbourne that season looked shot in the first few rounds as they weren’t getting away with what they normally do. Next thing you know and everything went back to the way it was.

And although they lost the GF last year.....another 2 minor premierships later and this year they are set to finish with at least a Prelim Final.

Says a lot doesn't it. Back to the field when the refs were actually penalising things for 3-4 weeks.....back on top when their Saturday night wrestling tactics were allowed to slip through again.

And when it came down to it, who were the loudest in their complaints about the referees so-called "nitpicking"??? The TV commentators, both on Nine (especially Gould and Johns) and on Fox.

As @Batty and I both said, the NRL should never have backed down and the players and coaches should have been forced to actually play by the rules. Unfortunately agendas, mostly the TV spectacle, won out and that corporate lap dog yes man Greenturd didn't have the balls to do what should have been done which was to have the referees continue to enforce the games rules.

 

[maxta]

I would like a new bunker position called “common sense”....or “black and white”, as the rules change every week....still see players catching passes inside shoulders and then a try out wide....other times in a replica situation- No Try ??
I get the call - the defender would not have got there or...it had no impact on the play, as they are common sense and down to interpretation.
But this is meant to have been flushed down the toilet with black and white rulings to take out the “grey area”??
well they don’t don’t follow either interpretation and need to make up minds before 2020, as its hard to watch the inconsistency, especially with Manly on the wrong end of it 90% of the time.