In order to correct the misinformation that is being peddle around concerning so-called 'Rebel' sites on the Rockers thread in general discussion on MSE, what follows is a short history: (If you hate long posts ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Âœ get out now!!!!) Mid 2004: A few posters on OEE (none who knew each other) got sick of the crap from a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‹ÂœfruitloopÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ poster and a new site was formed by Zaphod. As a result Alternate Eagles was formed. This had nothing to do with ME (or MSE as it has now become!) A mixture of supporters joined the new site, some whom remain today whilst others drifted away as the site was not to their taste. Around the same time Manly suffered its worst defeat ever at Penrith and fans who vented their dissatisfaction on the Club site were castigated by others for not being True Supporters! Several were banned from MSE for expressing their displeasure. Later polarisation occurred due to the ironic laughter and jest associated with the poor form of Jye Mullane. Basically Jye was a joke and did not play well, (though later it was revealed he had knee trouble.) Once dropped though he never played first grade again. Some of the long term supporters resented AE posters saying that Jye's form was bad despite it being clearly evident to all, both inside and outside the club. Much of the banter was fun and ironic. In 2005 a little bit of TV exposure of the Fortress Brookvale sign helped the profile though Igor the Eagle was castigated on game day by Football manager for displaying the banner (due to Alternate Eagles being written in small print). T he domain name was changed to Silvertails during the season. Several in the group made a very late submission to the club regarding the clubs Website Design and Marketing of membership. Despite only having two weeks against the many months from the ultimate winner of the contract, it is interesting that many aspects of the proposal have been incorporated by the club. Some criticism of the poor form of Jason King and a call to make BK captain were again seen as disloyalty by the ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‹ÂœTrue BelieversÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢. (It now turns out that Des wanted BK as captain in 205 but he declined!!!) Sadly some of the long-term Rockers and a small group of Manly supporters continue to resent the newer forum and its posters, all of who had been around for ages individually on the Mighty Eagles site. A few were accused of being anti-Manly etc and so it has developed. Some on this forum responded and so silly forum spats developed, mainly on MSE. As a result of another spat The Manly Gang site developed, to change its name to White Stripe Supporters. Again this group was seen as a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‹ÂœrebelÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ site by some, though many of the old General discussion regulars went with them. My contention is that greater inclusiveness from the supposed ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‹ÂœoriginalÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ supporters and a less heavy-handed approach on the clubÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s official forums could have avoided all this. This site was told that it could not use the Manly logo and was given a generally hard time by the club, though One Eyed Eagle and the Rockers did not seem to have the same restrictions placed on them. Despite this, two independent sites (with forums) have developed, each with committed and enthusiastic Manly supporters running them. Each has its own style and features. The club remains somewhat paranoid of two of them, fearing that they might become something like the Kennel or the Burrow! The name Silvertail.net is even a banned expression on the MSE forum! A small minority with long memories and rather ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‹Âœthin skinÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ continue to keep the ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‹ÂœTrue Supporter debate alive. As footy is meant to be fun and enjoyable it is time for them to get over their petty jealousies, agree to coexist and face up to reality that each site has it own adherents, its own style and that they all support Manly. It is also important to note that no ST mods or posters (to my knowledge) are currently banned from MSE though some choose not to post due to the 'fight' that tends to follow any post and also the fact that unless one supports the party line it is seen as being disloyal. All Manly supporters are welcome at this site which exists for the enjoyment of supporting the club.