Shoe Dropped?

[Seagles68]

Well lets hope Jurbo is not out injured coz if he and Shoe are both out, we've lost the heart and sole of the team right there.

Yeah I know ...... but I've been a Shoe advocate and I find his form depressing. Thought it was time for another stupid comment.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Interesting comment from Mestrov that Schuster’s contract is not in jeopardy at this point. Suggests there might be a termination clause for failure to meet certain KPIs.

He has deactivated his KPIs. They have been usurped by his reactivated KFCs.

 

[Ranga]

No KPIs as such. If a player doesn't turn up to training or game day, or does so in a condition that is unacceptable, e.g., whether inebriated, or simply unprofessionally overweight etc, he is in breach of contract of employment.

I agree with you in terms of termination for breach where a player doesn’t turn up to training or game day, or if they turned up under the influence (they’d probably need to be given a warning or two). But unprofessionally overweight, without an objective KPI, I’m not so sure since it’s subjective - eg, George Rose. That’s asking for an unfair dismissal claim I reckon!

 

[Cliffy's Jockstrap]

I think he seriously needs a mental health break, he looks like he has been playing busted. A break from the NRL, playing in Reggies or even park footy with mates, might remind him that he actually does like playing footy. Certainly hope so.

 

[Oligarch]

He has the full support of the board !!!!

Now that’s when you know when you buggered.

 

[Cliffy's Jockstrap]

Interesting comment from Mestrov that Schuster’s contract is not in jeopardy at this point. Suggests there might be a termination clause for failure to meet certain KPIs.

I think it is really unhelpful of Mestrov to be making comments like that, I would have hoped he had more sense. Way to kick a player who is struggling, possibly bother the team, and guarantee what questions Seibold will face in after-match pressers for the remainder of the year. My personal opinion, he should be a bit more clever than that. I think it makes Seibold's job more difficult for a start.

Love the old Dessie or hate him, I believe one of the things about him was that he 100% had the players' backs, and they knew it and they trusted him. I rate Wayne Bennett as the best "man manager" in rugby league, with an unsurpassed ability to get the best out of "troubled" or "engimatic" players. But I feel like Dessie is just about number 2, and I don't think he would have unloaded on a player in that fashion. (Let me know if I have totally misjudged, all you more knowledgeable persons).

 

[manly al]

Didn 't have that bad a game [ Shu ] against the Roosters at Brookie some time ago .
Of course has not shown much since then but with the season well and truly gone and injuries to the likes of Burbo , Lodge and Alioia , may have still been inclined to have him on the bench .
No doubt the thinking to try and get his game up to par again at reserve grade level and to directly send him a clear message .
May help with his required form improvement but as has been indicated already , not sure if the Blacktown coach would be in full agreement .
Then again if he can turn his form level around and significantly , could certainly boost their finals prospects as well

 

[Damien2812]

they are doing there best to move him on IMO.
there has been way to much talk from within the club to suggest anything else
he is on the rack and they want him to activate it himself i presume that is the play

If that's the case why did the club offer him an extension?

 

[40 nil]

NRL 360 discussing Schuster's demotion

 

[Eagle 1]

If that's the case why did the club offer him an extension?

Yeah, I think everyone is saying this, the Shoe we had in 2021 is vastly different to the one we have now in 2023. We can only hope with a good pre-season leading into 2024 things will change for the better for Shoe, and yes, we said that this year didn't we..mmm..

 

[JenEagle]

I think it is really unhelpful of Mestrov to be making comments like that, I would have hoped he had more sense. Way to kick a player who is struggling, possibly bother the team, and guarantee what questions Seibold will face in after-match pressers for the remainder of the year. My personal opinion, he should be a bit more clever than that. I think it makes Seibold's job more difficult for a start.

Love the old Dessie or hate him, I believe one of the things about him was that he 100% had the players' backs, and they knew it and they trusted him. I rate Wayne Bennett as the best "man manager" in rugby league, with an unsurpassed ability to get the best out of "troubled" or "engimatic" players. But I feel like Dessie is just about number 2, and I don't think he would have unloaded on a player in that fashion. (Let me know if I have totally misjudged, all you more knowledgeable persons).

Agree.

 

[manly al]

NRL 360 discussing Schuster's demotion

F M D , wish they or other media types would just get off his back
How many other i st graders have been off their game this season or experienced form slumps [ or any normal season for that matter ] and it is just accepted as a not desirable but not that unusual an occurrence .
Also good if his correct contract amount could be properly clarified .
Already have lost in all probability a couple of future top liners in Latu and Sam Latu, and to give some unfounded speculation that the Shu could be on his way out too , hardly in anyones best interests .
Just needs some unfetted opportunity to get his confidence and mojo back .
Deserving of some warranted criticism but also the right circumstances to manage getting back to his best

 

[HoldenV8]

The thing about Schu is that everyone says he has "talent".

The problem is that "the talent" is only on one end of the field. I think he is a talented "ball player" but he is not a talented footballer, the reason being he only plays one end of the field.

In comparison, someone like Haumole is actually talented because he can do it on attack and defence.

Some of this is probably semantics, but for me, this is an important distinction.

Would it surprise you to know that Haumole actually has the most missed tackles (62) of any Manly player this year?? Just one ahead of Froggy (who has the most made tackles of any Manly player this year with 912).

But I do get your point. That's at least 62 times for better or worse that Olakau'atu has gotten involved in defense. He's also our leading yardage gainer in the forwards both in metres and post contact metres. Being talented doesn't always means you get it right, as his missed tackle count shows. But its more than just being talented. Its being involved in the little things.

Schuster is talented, but sometimes only seems to want to be involved at the highlight reel end of the field.

 

[ALinda]

2nd time in 1 season dropped for being unfit. WTF is our conditioning staff doing ?? Time to cut him loose. He's never going to make it because of his sh*t, lazy attitude.

Have to agree. I really don't get why the club's pandered to his wishes for so long?!

We lost Foz so this guy could play in his 'pet' position, which has been a total failure, then without even proving his worth his contract's extended for $800K/4yrs! I gave up waiting for him to convince me of his talent some time ago and now, just 2 weeks before the end of the season, he's finally being dropped. Too little way too late in my view and I attribute our failure to make the 8 and another disappointing season a fair bit on him.

 

[The Who]

Perhaps he might 'do a Tevita' and take up boxing where he can throw no-look punches!

 

[John Nicholson]

I'm not happy with this proposed scenario, even if it is true out of the mouth of Buzz.

For whatever reason media and this forum have taken every opportunity to take Schuster down; sure he doesn't show good attitude on or off the field nor show much improvement in weight loss, but I ask you "Of all the players in the Sea Eagles team, having 50 games or less under their belt, which one has the ability to win a game for you?"

 

[XV-1]

I'm not happy with this proposed scenario, even if it is true out of the mouth of Buzz.

For whatever reason media and this forum have taken every opportunity to take Schuster down; sure he doesn't show good attitude on or off the field nor show much improvement in weight loss, but I ask you "Of all the players in the Seat Eagles team, having 50 games or less under their belt, which one has the ability to win a game for you?"

Seibold had the perfect opportunity to bring Schu on with 10 mins to go against the Warriors. He should have come on for Arthurs who did nothing after his first try except let a few tries in.

Schu would have been another point of attack as Manly had been going right all match and the Warriors, defensively fixed their issues after half time.

But no, Seibold did nothing and we lost.
Seems like it's all Schu's fault we lost, which is total BS. Making Schu a public scap goat by the CEO.

More like a smoke screen on why Seibold and Mestrov failed in making the semis.

 

[Pete W]

I agree with you in terms of termination for breach where a player doesn’t turn up to training or game day, or if they turned up under the influence (they’d probably need to be given a warning or two). But unprofessionally overweight, without an objective KPI, I’m not so sure since it’s subjective - eg, George Rose. That’s asking for an unfair dismissal claim I reckon!

Man I miss gorgeous george

I think unprofessionally overweight, as in not being able to perform required tasks at an adequate standard. So not necessarily about a number, but more so about physical condition. After all, they are paid athletes

 

[jbb/james]

If that's the case why did the club offer him an extension?

I figure they now regret that extension, and with brooks and arthur they are happy to use the coin elsewhere. It happens at lots of clubs

why the extended him, who knows but at this stage it seems strange but manlys contracts are puzzling at times

 

[Damien2812]

Yeah, I think everyone is saying this, the Shoe we had in 2021 is vastly different to the one we have now in 2023. We can only hope with a good pre-season leading into 2024 things will change for the better for Shoe, and yes, we said that this year didn't we..mmm..

We did regarding this year. I can't see him changing and it's looking more likely he won't be at the club in the future. The idiots who decided to resign him on that reported $800K need to be sacked if he goes.