Seibold presser ..

[SeaEagleRock8]

Yes, every loss he finds a way to be really proud. Whether it's effort or winning a second half of holding a team to X amount of points. The guy really needs to cut that crap out. How hard is it to say "we were way off tonight and need to be better". Or something along those lines. NRl history tells us that coaches who shower praise on a regular basis after a loss don't end up having long careers. They do it to try and ward off any negativity towards themselves.

If your team is trying and busting a gut then what good will it do the players to hear the coach say they are crap every week?
Seems the people criticising Seibold for saying the players tried hard are often the same people saying our roster is weak/unbalanced/lacking in key areas/etc etc etc (and yet still expect Seibold to get a win every week!)

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Agree. I dont rate Sipley but i reckon there is a chance he gets off. He was knocked out which surely was a contributing factor. He does have priors so who knows.

Yeah I didn't get a good look at Sipley's tackle but I don't think he did much wrong.
Getting referred straight to judiciary ... hopefully that means Scotty will stump up for some high class legal representation. Usually Manly just accept every charge (in order to save money contesting it???)

 

[Rafferty]

Agree. I dont rate Sipley but i reckon there is a chance he gets off. He was knocked out which surely was a contributing factor. He does have priors so who knows.

Yes the on field ruling was pathetic and the charge or referral even worse, should take Wayne’s comment into the judiciary along with video of Wightons tackle, there very similar, a) it shows the inconsistency, b) as you point out Sip was HIA, so it’s hard to lay blame, there was certainly no intent, we have to step up as a club and take aim, this incident seems like the perfect opportunity to defend the charge.

 

[Wombat64]

He also didn’t blame their loss on the scheduling, or even raise it, he handled it way better, I thought the interesting part of his presser related to the question on the hip drop, his response was pretty good, went something like, what even is a hip drop, I don’t really know………

The people saying he "blew up" about the scheduling in the press conference didn't watch it. He didn't blow up he just said it didn't help and that Manly weren't the only ones affected.

 

[Rafferty]

The people saying he "blew up" about the scheduling in the press conference didn't watch it. He didn't blow up he just said it didn't help and that Manly weren't the only ones affected.

Oh I agree, I watched it and also realised he pointed out we’re not the only team impacted by the scheduling, which by the way is a legit grievance, 3 games in 11 days with a trip to the other side of the country (whoops Nation) isn’t great, deal with it or take it up with the NRL, where all aware.

I much preferred Bennett’s approach and while Seibs didn’t blow up about it or directly use it as an excuse, he choose to bring it up, was it a way to shift the focus? Who knows. I just want some ownership, some honesty, not more pride moments and excuses, implied or otherwise, man up, where facing some difficult times, own it and get on with it, I much preferred Bellamy’s honesty, it lets the players take that on board and get on with it, which makes me wonder what our boys take on board each week, seems like a week gutted approach from a week gutted………..yep it rhymes.

 

[wombatgc]

what even is a hip drop, I don’t really know………

That’s classic Clint. Love it.😉

 

[Thewestisbest]

If your team is trying and busting a gut then what good will it do the players to hear the coach say they are crap every week?
Seems the people criticising Seibold for saying the players tried hard are often the same people saying our roster is weak/unbalanced/lacking in key areas/etc etc etc (and yet still expect Seibold to get a win every week!)

I don't expect them to win every week but I did expect them to take care of the Dragons in front of a big crowd at Brookvale. As crap as we were we only ended up losing by a missed conversion. So yeah, this game was not worthy of the I'm so proud rubbish. The team played horribly and our spud of a coach knows it. His proud comments were an attempt at deflection.

 

[Eagle 1]

Saab needs to wind up and get to a high enough speed for him to have any momentum in the tackle. Certainly not effective, but he literally has no other chance of gaining metres. We probably have the worst back 3 in the comp for yardage

But on Seibold, he is a terrible coach on many levels. His stint with us will end along with his head coaching career

Maybe not a good idea Pete, using Saab as a battering ram will only bring more injuries to him, and he doesn't need any further help there. I like his hit-ups, looks to go between defenders for the possible missed tackle.

 

[Thewestisbest]

The people saying he "blew up" about the scheduling in the press conference didn't watch it. He didn't blow up he just said it didn't help and that Manly weren't the only ones affected.

Who posted that he blew up? He used it as an excuse while stating it was t an excuse. Just like last week when he talked about our injuries. There was nothing to be proud about in that Melbourne game but he was proud we won the second half. It is a loser mentality and does nothing to present Manly as a tough no nonsense club intent on becoming ruthless.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Oh I agree, I watched it and also realised he pointed out we’re not the only team impacted by the scheduling, which by the way is a legit grievance, 3 games in 11 days with a trip to the other side of the country (whoops Nation) isn’t great, deal with it or take it up with the NRL, where all aware.

I much preferred Bennett’s approach and while Seibs didn’t blow up about it or directly use it as an excuse, he choose to bring it up, was it a way to shift the focus? Who knows. I just want some ownership, some honesty, not more pride moments and excuses, implied or otherwise, man up, where facing some difficult times, own it and get on with it, I much preferred Bellamy’s honesty, it lets the players take that on board and get on with it, which makes me wonder what our boys take on board each week, seems like a week gutted approach from a week gutted………..yep it rhymes.

Beat me to it.

 

[maxta]

Coaches including the likes of Bellamy have been openly critical of their teams poor performance

Being too critical too often can have a negative affect
But so too often being proud of the way we lose . Sebolds continuously openly saying how proud he is from our loses endorses a losing culture .

Ultimately part of the NRL coaches Job is to maintain the Clubs proud Winning standards at all times

By continually and openly saying how proud he is of a loss Seibold Loses all credibility on what The Manly Way stands for

The Manly Way is the Proud Winning Way
and Not the Losing way that comes from our Woke and Weak Head coach

Yeh look
I don't reckon Seibold is as terrible a coach as some say
But his accountability is a cop out and will weaken the mentality amongst the players
If they deserve a kick up the ass, he is the bloke to do it and atm seems happy to accept losing and finds a way to justify it
Prefer true words
We were destroyed through the middle and need to improve here and will
This will give confidence we lost, but know what needs to happen to improve results

 

[Eagle 1]

I considered it a few times. The last couple of weeks have seen narrow losses on the scoreboard but there’s definitely a stench about things and it feels much worse than maybe it appears. I think the DCE announcement has amplified things. It feels like a broken club atm.

Yeah, and that's sad, our crowds are still sellouts tho. We so desperately need Turbo back and firing. We should be sweet after the bye, with most back by then.

 

[voicefromthehill]

This will go on ad infinitum.

What people are saying is

"boo hoo hoo The coach didn't lose his composure like I do. If I was coach I would rip them to shreds publicly for the media to feed upon for the next week."

Of course this discounts that in publicly humiliating them more than they already were, would lose trust/respect etc with the players (and no that isn't a sign of the generation - whichever person bleated on about that, its respecting your team).

I would also suggest many of the heroes that call for Seibs to "blow up" publicly - have never managed a team (be it sporting or corporate). Its truth is shown by the amount of time they spend on these forums....

Privately is when the blow up works, it shows strength and control.

I guess if you want a coach that is a loose cannon Bellamy is your man

 

[The '47ers]

Yeah, and that's sad, our crowds are still sellouts tho. We so desperately need Turbo back and firing. We should be sweet after the bye, with most back by then.

Crowds will drop as quickly as they rose if this season keeps heading this way!
And "sellout" while a great sign, it's only a small park ground - but I digress, that's a another thread.

 

[Brookie1973]

This will go on ad infinitum.

What people are saying is

"boo hoo hoo The coach didn't lose his composure like I do. If I was coach I would rip them to shreds publicly for the media to feed upon for the next week."

Of course this discounts that in publicly humiliating them more than they already were, would lose trust/respect etc with the players (and no that isn't a sign of the generation - whichever person bleated on about that, its respecting your team).

I would also suggest many of the heroes that call for Seibs to "blow up" publicly - have never managed a team (be it sporting or corporate). Its truth is shown by the amount of time they spend on these forums....

Privately is when the blow up works, it shows strength and control.

I guess if you want a coach that is a loose cannon Bellamy is your man

That’s all fair enough, but is there any evidence that he blows up or even gets mildly displeased publicly, privately or otherwise? I have never heard a player say that “seibs took us to task” or similar on anything. I think it is more likely not in his nature at all, and that he is so wedded to his new age, touch feely coaching philosophy that to get angry at any time would be a betrayal of that philosophy. Personally I feel it is not an effective approach for managing a first grade NRL side. When we are winning it’s all sunshine and rainbows, but when we are losing, it’s all cliches and looking desperately for a positive (“we won the second half”).

 

[Budgie]

The media referred to spoon complaining aabout scheduling during Bennetts press conference. They asked Wayne whether the short turn sounds had hurt Souths. Wayne responded by saying the NRL is a tough place and every team goes through periods of playing off short turn arounds.

Wayne hates Anthony so ... Rugby League

 

[Budgie]

Privately is when the blow up works, it shows strength and control.

And no more than twice a season, preferably only once.

I'd be happy if he just gave the Captain both barrels, highest paid and most vocal player on the team producing rubbish like that.

 

[Rafferty]

This will go on ad infinitum.

What people are saying is

"boo hoo hoo The coach didn't lose his composure like I do. If I was coach I would rip them to shreds publicly for the media to feed upon for the next week."

Of course this discounts that in publicly humiliating them more than they already were, would lose trust/respect etc with the players (and no that isn't a sign of the generation - whichever person bleated on about that, its respecting your team).

I would also suggest many of the heroes that call for Seibs to "blow up" publicly - have never managed a team (be it sporting or corporate). Its truth is shown by the amount of time they spend on these forums....

Privately is when the blow up works, it shows strength and control.

I guess if you want a coach that is a loose cannon Bellamy is your man

What a load of rubbish, you clearly haven’t got a clue what other people are saying, you just displayed that in your diatribe above.

I don’t want to see Seibs humiliate anyone, but I don’t want to see him sugarcoat the bleeding obvious week after week, some constructive honesty, mightn’t be a bad idea.

I don’t know who’s calling for Seibs to blow up and I certainly don’t know who you’re referring to as hero’s. In my case as I’m semi retired, I feel comfortable spending my time as I see fit.

There’s no real need to blow up and that’s certainly not what I’m looking for, however a little constructive honesty would go a long way, there’s not a lot to be proud of, period, so why on earth would you go about it that way, it’s a bad look, if your proud of our recent efforts then that’s for you to feel comfortable with.

Re your Bellamy comment, did you watch his presser after there loss to the Fins, he didn’t blow up, it was constructive, honest and confronting, if you didn’t watch it, maybe you should and you will get to see first hand what I would like to see from Seibs, it’s called accountability, there was nothing to be proud of and he called it spot on, even Munster measured his own performance with some honest hard hitting truths, very refreshing.

Just so this won’t go on, this will be my last word on his pressers, I’ve pretty much tried to explain where I’m coming from and how I see them, if you or anyone else is happy with the status quo, thinks that Seib’s pressers are good for team morale, unity, whatever it is you think, that’s ok by me, I’ve explained how I feel, how I perceive his pressers, I see them as a pretty close reflection of his team selections, preparations and performance, not really good enough, sorry if that offends.

 

[mave]

I guess if you want a coach that is a loose cannon Bellamy is your man

Is that a promise, or a threat?

 

[Pete W]

I've never heard a successful coach say repeatedly that their team is a top 4 team, and "we're trying to break the cluster" etc etc, before the season has even started no less. What happened to "let's just put our heads down for this week?" It couldn't be a worse way to mind f*ck the players' mental states.

Everyone can clearly see a sudden and massive drop in our form, and the most urgent matter for our coach is to control public narrative as he knows first hand how quickly things spiral out of control once the media get a whiff of fractured team unity etc.

Whilst I think he is certainly not the best man for the job, I do feel for him nonetheless. We are a basket case of a club. Even when we were winning, Manly HQ was always an infamous snake pit, with only Arko and later Fulton keeping a firm grip of control. Seibold has to not only contend with a small, and outdated, almost amateur- run organisation, but his big name players have all gone missing at the same time.

There is almost an eerily similar feel to the dramatic drop off, body language etc, as the weeks after Rainbow Jersey round. Another early pay out for a head coach is visible on the horizon. It's not too late for Seibold, but if he doesn't make some bold moves regarding the captaincy, leadership group, selections/droppings to Cup etc, he won't see out his extension - and he can't be hoping this all goes away if Turbo manages another handful of games