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Samantha in strife (and medical retirement rorts)

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I can't believe the NRL (Greenburg) overruled the insurer's decision not to pay out Watmough's injury & decreed Parramatta could him pay him out & be exempt from their salary cap.

How blatant is that?
Then refused to allow Snake and Skivvy to be medically retired.

Then allowed 1nglis to be. And probably Samantha, Gillett and Mutalino as well.
 

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Then refused to allow Snake and Skivvy to be medically retired.

Then allowed 1nglis to be. And probably Samantha, Gillett and Mutalino as well.
Not Matalino, he doesn’t play for a favourite, West’s are ****ed!!
 

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Not Matalino, he doesn’t play for a favourite, West’s are ****ed!!
Sorry to be the bearer of bad , though not unexpected, news but Matulino has been 'medically retired'.

So the go now seems to be if you want a good player 30+ years of age then put them on a big contract. As soon as their form starts to drop just wait until the very next injury then claim a medical retirement.

Obviously these injuries will occur on a 30+ year old player. Father time dictates it to be so. Player still gets paid, club gets cap relief and the club has also received one or two years of decent service until the player's form starts to drop. Club also gets to screw over fans and the other club that the player was happy playing at.

Officials think we all have to accept doctors at their word because 'gee whiz, they are doctors so we should worship the ground they walk on' but it certainly appears easy as to get a doc to claim exactly what a club wants them too.
 

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Also....

NRL CEO Todd Greenberg said salary cap auditor Richard Gardham will put the Broncos medical retirement application for Gillett through the same processes as the Burgess submission and the recently approved request for Wests Tigers prop Ben Matulino.

"I don’t foreshadow any issues but we will do the same thing, we’ll run through the same process and same rules and make the same determination according to the facts," Greenberg said.
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I don't foreshadow any issues....hint hint hint threat to auditor Gardham.... make sure these players are medically retired.

There's one thing the nrl should thank us for bearing the brunt of Todd's hatred, once we get screwed over he goes out of his way to make things fairer for every other team.

As said before - Stewart bros, Matai and others....nope!

Any other player who catches a cold "Quick, medically retire these poor ornaments to the game."

The real test will be when we need to retire a player ourselves again.. Hopefully todd has been moved on well before that. What a tosser.
 

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Also....

NRL CEO Todd Greenberg said salary cap auditor Richard Gardham will put the Broncos medical retirement application for Gillett through the same processes as the Burgess submission and the recently approved request for Wests Tigers prop Ben Matulino.

"I don’t foreshadow any issues but we will do the same thing, we’ll run through the same process and same rules and make the same determination according to the facts," Greenberg said.
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I don't foreshadow any issues....hint hint hint threat to auditor Gardham.... make sure these players are medically retired.

There's one thing the nrl should thank us for bearing the brunt of Todd's hatred, once we get screwed over he goes out of his way to make things fairer for every other team.

As said before - Stewart bros, Matai and others....nope!

Any other player who catches a cold "Quick, medically retire these poor ornaments to the game."

The real test will be when we need to retire a player ourselves again.. Hopefully todd has been moved on well before that. What a tosser.
Despite the crap we've had to and we continue to face, Greenburg, Gallop (or anyone else) still haven't done the Club in.

"That which does not kill us, makes us stronger."

Todd Greenburg: CEO of the NRL < 4 years. Hopefully on his way out for nepotism, incompetence, favouritism and just being a d!ck.

Manly Warringah Sea Eagles - 8 Premierships, good looking supporters and still going strong since 1947.
 

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DT has NRL approving Mautalino's 800k medical retirement today :swear:
 

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Interestingly Cronk has been signed in a coaching role at Easts which I find quite suspicious ... , I'd think his "coaching" salary should be added to the salary cap.

Just like Inglis' bs "ambassadorial" position is a joke, he's already sold out of Coogee and has been virtually unsighted at the Bunnies.

Sam has 25% bone density in his shoulder and this has only just been discovered? Give me a break. Todd only has 25% bone density in his spine by the looks.

The NRL's treatment of my hero Matai, along with club legends Snake and Watmough were despicable.

Anyone remember how they allowed Fa'oso play on with a broken neck? What??? Talk to me about their care of player welfare ...

The salary cap is a joke and needs to be cleaned up. V'landys over to you?
 

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For what its worth, with regards to Burgess.....one thing I am hearing is that the Vermin knew of his upcoming father-in-law legal troubles and that medically retiring him was a way to avoid having to have him and his contract on the books if the NRL stood him down like they did with Dylan Walker and his DV issue. Its part of why some are thinking he'll just take a year off after the NRL allow him to be medically retired, then he'll re-appear (with the appropriate medical clearance of course) most likely in the Super League to finish off his career.
 

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So, let me get things clear.
A professional footballer can 'medically' retire and still get paid for the remainder of his contract? In Burgess' case this amounts to a reported $2.6-M, for doing nothing?
What about a person in a physically taxing job, such as a labourer, builder, mechanic - even a nurse. If they suffer an injury that curtails their career do they get a massive payout?
I'd suggest they'd get a few weeks severance pay and a suggestion to find a new form of employment.
 

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So, let me get things clear.
A professional footballer can 'medically' retire and still get paid for the remainder of his contract? In Burgess' case this amounts to a reported $2.6-M, for doing nothing?
What about a person in a physically taxing job, such as a labourer, builder, mechanic - even a nurse. If they suffer an injury that curtails their career do they get a massive payout?
I'd suggest they'd get a few weeks severance pay and a suggestion to find a new form of employment.
workers comp?
 

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Brisbane is arguing that Gillett suffered a career-ending shoulder injury in round 22.
Yet he played out the remaining three rounds, and admits that he had already had two previous operations on the shoulder.
Case close.
Next.
Now, Mr Burgess . . .
 

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Brisbane is arguing that Gillett suffered a career-ending shoulder injury in round 22.
Yet he played out the remaining three rounds, and admits that he had already had two previous operations on the shoulder.
Case close.
Next.
Now, Mr Burgess . . .
That’s NOT how it works, it’s “ hey Toddy Paul White here , Gillett is ****ed and we need him off our cap to stop those pricks from down south trying to steal Fifita” , “ yeah Pauley I heard that , nudge nudge, wink wink , she’ll be right buddy, by the way did you like all those Friday nights you got ,15, I tried for 23 but I thought people would notice with that many” “ thanks Toddy, good work mate , now just make sure you can find a way to screw those bloody Sea Eagles I don’t like how they seem to be getting much better lately “.
 

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For Pete's sake, before he signed with Wests everyone knew Matulino was on dodgy legs. Had been a good player in the past, but even me, as a Manly fan who only casually follows other clubs, knew the signing was a gamble, not because the bloke had no heart, which he clearly does, but for chronic injury.

Meanwhile we've seen millions wiped off Parra's cap for Watmough and then off Souths cap for Inglis (the story around this will come out one day, but not soon) and now it is just an absolute free-for-all rort which pisses off Manly fans because of how Snake and Matai were dealt with.

And also pisses off Manly fans because of the NRL's shocking hypocrisy about level playing fields, this was the CEO when we were found guilty of salary cap indiscretions:


NRL chief executive officer Todd Greenberg said the penalties were a warning to all clubs.

"The investigation found a number of cases where players were offered undisclosed benefits outside the salary cap to attract them to the club," Greenberg said...

"....In other words, Manly had a financial advantage in securing the services of players who may otherwise have gone to other clubs."

The breaches involve 15 players over five years, totalling $1.5 million.


That amount is about a year and a bit of Sam's deal.
V'Landys has his work cut out trying to restore fans' faith in the game, I wish him well (and early indications are definitely solid)
 
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The breaches involve 15 players over five years, totalling $1.5 million.
Which for the mathematically challenged, equates to $20,000 per year for those players. So lets wipe $3 million off Sam's deal because, hey , he's an ornament to the game.
 

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Also....

NRL CEO Todd Greenberg said salary cap auditor Richard Gardham will put the Broncos medical retirement application for Gillett through the same processes as the Burgess submission and the recently approved request for Wests Tigers prop Ben Matulino.

"I don’t foreshadow any issues but we will do the same thing, we’ll run through the same process and same rules and make the same determination according to the facts," Greenberg said.
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I don't foreshadow any issues....hint hint hint threat to auditor Gardham.... make sure these players are medically retired.

There's one thing the nrl should thank us for bearing the brunt of Todd's hatred, once we get screwed over he goes out of his way to make things fairer for every other team.

As said before - Stewart bros, Matai and others....nope!

Any other player who catches a cold "Quick, medically retire these poor ornaments to the game."

The real test will be when we need to retire a player ourselves again.. Hopefully todd has been moved on well before that. What a tosser.
My question is what is the process, rules, and the determination according to the facts?
Wheres the transparency? Where are these things written? And again I ask who are these doctors affiliated with? NRL, Club, or independent?
 

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For Pete's sake, before he signed with Wests everyone knew Matulino was on dodgy legs. Had been a good player in the past, but even me, as a Manly fan who only casually follows other clubs, knew the signing was a gamble, not because the bloke had no heart, which he clearly does, but for chronic injury.

Meanwhile we've seen millions wiped off Parra's cap for Watmough and then off Souths cap for Inglis (the story around this will come out one day, but not soon) and now it is just an absolute free-for-all rort which pisses off Manly fans because of how Snake and Matai were dealt with.

And also pisses off Manly fans because of the NRL's shocking hypocrisy about level playing fields, this was the CEO when we were found guilty of salary cap indiscretions:


NRL chief executive officer Todd Greenberg said the penalties were a warning to all clubs.

"The investigation found a number of cases where players were offered undisclosed benefits outside the salary cap to attract them to the club," Greenberg said...

"....In other words, Manly had a financial advantage in securing the services of players who may otherwise have gone to other clubs."

The breaches involve 15 players over five years, totalling $1.5 million.


That amount is about a year and a bit of Sam's deal.
V'Landys has his work cut out trying to restore fans' faith in the game, I wish him well (and early indications are definitely solid)
If my maths is correct that’s 20k a player each year
Gee if uncle Nick saw 20k in the gutter he wouldn’t bend down to pick it up
It’s a rounding error on thier TPAs , what a disgrace we were put thru all that for such a piddling amount
 

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