Sack the Spoon

[Thewestisbest]

That's arguably your best work.

Co Starring @Rocky as the post game excuse disciple.

 

[Brookie1973]

I seriously wonder if you people actually believe that Seibold tells his players what he tells us in the post-match press conference... It's so obviously a mechanism purely to take blame off the players. That's the point of it, and nothing more, especially in the new media age where no one cares what you say in a presser, unless you say something incredibly stupid. See AOB.

I sometimes wonder if some of the anti-Seibold people blame the weather on him. And if they also believe theres an infinite food source in Woolworths. Some of the comments here are absolutely moronic. Acting like he tells them to lose the game... Funnily enough, the same problems we've had since Foran 1.0 left, are the same problems we have now. No game management. No culling of other teams unless they hand it to us on a platter. A seeming ability to contend but it falls apart when scrutinised. There's two constants since 2015... But most of these critics don't seem to have object permanence, so I don't blame them. If they don't see Penn or DCE all the time, that must mean they don't exist anymore.

Like if I showed them a picture of a chubby, ugly rat that makes an annoying garbled high pitched sound, before and after every Manly loss, they would start blaming the rat for every loss. They look at the propaganda read out by dribblers like James Hooper and take it at face value. If you see something on TV, it must be true.

They also act like Bellamy is on the open market. He is never leaving the Storm. They act like Bennett is up for grabs. He hates Manly, and even if he wanted to, Des has won a comp more recently than him. Ivan Cleary can't win another comp without the first-class pathways players he once bad. He was sacked at Penrith the first time around.

The new coaches are no guarantee either. We went though the "NEW ERA COACH WILL BRING US BACK" when we sacked Tooves, and installed Twent. How'd that go?

Imagine if we did that today. Sacked Seibold, in the middle of a long-term club rebuild, with no terrible record, and brought in AOB. He comes out, and says more honest things in press conferences, like you people seemingly want, directly calling you out, and saying you're too stupid to understand rugby league. Would you prefer that?

I don’t believe he is presenting one face to the media and a different one to the players. I believe what you see is what you get. Have you ever heard a player quoted as saying “he tore into us” or “Seibs was pissed” or anything of that nature? It is quite clear his personae and coaching philosophy is based on positive reinforcement. That would be fine until you start losing games you should be winning, where you need to call out the negatives. I just don’t think he has it in him.

The other issue is the excuses. Players consume media just like we do. What impact do you think it has on the playing group to hear the coach continually finding excuses for losses? The coach is giving them a crutch, and they are taking it. No need to bust a gut for the win this week fellas, this is our 5th game in 25 days, so we can be excused for losing.

 

[Rocky]

Co Starring @Rocky as the post game excuse disciple.

while you are wasting your time on me you could have posted another five times on your boy Siebold..

 

[Rocky]

Co Starring @Rocky as the post game excuse disciple.

I'm still waiting for your reply about where I made excuses... Tell the people my guy.

 

[Thewestisbest]

while you are wasting your time on me you could have posted another five times on your boy Siebold..

No, the bit part antagonists in this ongoing tragedy deserve recognition for their efforts. The Seispud Disciples all help to extend Tony's tenure. Which is charitable and kind because I don't imagine another club will ever buy into his methods again once he gets punted from here.

 

[Thewestisbest]

I'm still waiting for your reply about where I made excuses... Tell the people my guy.

I would love to but it really is an impossible task due to the delusional, almost psychotic denial you have displayed in multiple posts when it comes to our coach and his responsibilities. You often open with "I'm not excusing our coach," before doing just that. Your stubborn inflexibility would be admirable if it wasn't so utterly misguided. I concede that you are a very loyal Seispud disciple,

 

[Rocky]

I would love to but it really is an impossible task due to the delusional, almost psychotic denial you have displayed in multiple posts when it comes to our coach and his responsibilities. You often open with "I'm not excusing our coach," before doing just that. Your stubborn inflexibility would be admirable if it wasn't so utterly misguided. I concede that you are a very loyal Seispud disciple,

Scavenge away my guy. I bet your boy Tony is bothered. Very cute your love affair for him

 

[Thewestisbest]

Scavenge away my guy. I bet your boy Tony is bothered. Very cute your love affair for him

In this instance scavenge is the wrong word, as it was the last time you used it in this thread. I think you might be trying to find a derogatory term to describe those you perceive as critiquing, mocking, having a dig at, or taunting our coach.

 

[Rocky]

In this instance scavenge is the wrong word, as it was the last time you used it in this thread. I think you might be trying to find a derogatory term to describe those you perceive as critiquing, mocking, having a dig at, or taunting our coach.

I'm in your head... There is plenty of room.

Me, Fat Tony Siebold, Waddell and plenty of bees. Buzz buzz. All flying around.

Enjoy your weekend my guy

 

[Phobia]

Have you ever heard a player quoted as saying “he tore into us” or “Seibs was pissed” or anything of that nature?

I heard this not even two weeks ago from Jazz Tevaga. Lehi Hopoate indicated a similar thing occured after the first Sharks game. Worth noting these are on the individual level.

Gus isn't exactly in the good books right now, but he is a great man manager, and he said last year, that coaches today can afford one of these sprays per year. Madge has likely done it a few times, and it seems to have the opposite effect to what it used to do. The "hardest" coaches are the ones who are failing. Bellamy may show emotions in the box, but watch how he is around today's players.

When you could harrass a bunch of park footballers for not showing effort, and rightfully so, you can't exactly do the same for professional athletes who train professionally, every day, at a high physical standard. Lots of ex-players have indicated that the training jump between 2015-2025 is probably the greatest ever in the game.

Most of the modern players aren't footballers, they are athletes, dedicated to their craft, first and foremost. You wouldn't rip into a group of people who work hard throughout the week, for failing at a single 60-minute presentation. You can't convince these players to hate each other anymore, because they are coworkers. You can't rip into your team, because they then won't work for you.

What impact do you think it has on the playing group to hear the coach continually finding excuses for losses?

Fair point here, but worth noting that I doubt any players watch the post-match conferences. Often the only media that references them nowadays on a regular basis, is seemingly AI-generated Fox League articles. They won't go out of their way to find these conferences.

I disagree with you that they don't put out different messages. Ever since the Brett Stewart BS court case, every Des press conference has been a load of BS.

 

[Ralphie]

I'm definitely not letting off Seibold - he obviously has a part to play in it all. Not directed at you but it does make the me laugh when there are some on here that blame him for literally everything.

Clearly the team didn't come out with the same energy required to finish off the Knights which is extremely disappointing. Did the coach tell them to back off at half time, everything will be ok? I'm guessing not. But if they have tuned him out, then equally the coach's job isn't tenable.

I don't think that's the case at this moment, which is why I'm comfortable to also point the finger at guys like DCE. He's the captain, million dollar player, and our halfback and he should be able to steer the ship home from 16-0. Whatever Seibold did or didn't say, DCE should be able to manage that job regardless. And he didn't.

Yep, that happens to Bellamy coached teams all the time………oh wait……….

Good grief, it’s the foooken coach……..period!!!!

 

[Rocky]

Yep, that happens to Bellamy coached teams all the time………oh wait……….

Good grief, it’s the foooken coach……..period!!!!

If you say so my man . You seem to know best

 

[Phobia]

Yep, that happens to Bellamy coached teams all the time………oh wait……….

Good grief, it’s the foooken coach……..period!!!!

Dolphins Vs Storm - Rnd 7, 2025.

Half time: Storm 18, Dolphins 12.

Full time: Storm 22, Dolphins 42.

Screw sacking Seibold, the Storm need to sack Bellamy! He clearly told them to shoot themselves at half time! Terrible coach. He hasn't won a premiership in five seasons. What happened to the Storm's premiership winning standards?

Oh yeah, when Melbourne win, it's all because of Hughes and Papenhuyzhen. Bellamy just sits around and does nothing. Also their assistant coach is rubbish because they conceded 42 points.

You people might think I sit on a high horse with my opinions, and that's because I do. I don't need to be accountable, I'm anonymous too!

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Bellamy and the Storm have had far more success and consistency that we have had over the last 2.5 years. No comparison in my opinion.

 

[Rafferty]

Dolphins Vs Storm - Rnd 7, 2025.

Half time: Storm 18, Dolphins 12.

Full time: Storm 22, Dolphins 42.

Screw sacking Seibold, the Storm need to sack Bellamy! He clearly told them to shoot themselves at half time! Terrible coach. He hasn't won a premiership in five seasons. What happened to the Storm's premiership winning standards?

Oh yeah, when Melbourne win, it's all because of Hughes and Papenhuyzhen. Bellamy just sits around and does nothing. Also their assistant coach is rubbish because they conceded 42 points.

You people might think I sit on a high horse with my opinions, and that's because I do. I don't need to be accountable, I'm anonymous too!

Thing is how many times has that happen to Bellyache and his side v the constant crap we dish up……don’t worry about Bellyache not having won a GF for five years, he had them in the GF last year, has won 5 GF’s and is a 7 time Dally M winning coach, I’d kill for a coach with a record like that our club, now compare that with Seibs.

 

[Brookie1973]

I'm definitely not letting off Seibold - he obviously has a part to play in it all. Not directed at you but it does make the me laugh when there are some on here that blame him for literally everything.

Clearly the team didn't come out with the same energy required to finish off the Knights which is extremely disappointing. Did the coach tell them to back off at half time, everything will be ok? I'm guessing not. But if they have tuned him out, then equally the coach's job isn't tenable.

I don't think that's the case at this moment, which is why I'm comfortable to also point the finger at guys like DCE. He's the captain, million dollar player, and our halfback and he should be able to steer the ship home from 16-0. Whatever Seibold did or didn't say, DCE should be able to manage that job regardless. And he didn't.

You’re obviously entitled to your opinion. Just want to make the point that I don’t believe those in the sack camp blame Seibold for “literally everything” as you have stated. The club obviously has a range of problems starting with the owner on down, including a captain who leaves more and more to be desired with each passing day.

What I find difficult to understand is why so many in the pro Seibold camp are so adamant that he should get a free pass just because there are other problems that need addressing. I and many others are of the view that Seibold is not an effective coach. I wont cover all the reasons again here, as they have been more than well articulated elsewhere. Will getting rid of him solve all our problems? No. Will it set us on a better path? I believe so, yes.

Like it or not, accountability for results goes with being a first grade rugby league coach. Always has, always will. All coaches succeed or fail on results, and that will be the case with Seibold, no matter what Penn, DCE or mestrov are up to.

 

[zfinkels]

Lost for words or proud of the team?
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“A ton of spirit”

 

[ManlyTragic]

How many of these threads do we need?

 

[double hoops]

I hope behind closed doors Seibs follows Stickys spray. Our Manly team is so bloody Dumb.

 

[Brookie1973]

I hope behind closed doors Seibs follows Stickys spray. Our Manly team is so bloody Dumb.

I don’t think that’s Ricky. Think it’s an AFL coach, but still a fair old rant. I see Todd Payten gave the cows a rev up tonight at half time, but didn’t seem to have any impact.