Sack Spoony Siebold

[Eagle 1]

Do you think a Bellamy or a Bennett would get the same results? Or what about a Robinson and the spare parts roosters team. Or the no name dogs? Our coach has left zero handprints on this team.

Who have you got in mind B1973, not a lot to choose from out there in the Rugby League world.
Wonder how Matty Ballin is going at the up and down Broncs, probably a bit to early for him tho.

 

[BOZO]

And due to injuries probably down a level.

All Clubs have Injuries . Injuries are part of the game feathered friend
Rebuilding a Resilient team culture and Prevailing is Part of a the Head coaches responsibility
But as we all know Not All Head coaches have this ability

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

how are you blaming DCE for that team display? i get that many here have marked his card but jeez. Our starting props were ragged dolled and the replacements didn't do much better. It appeared that Luke Brooks was given the keys yesterday and it didn't really work.

Um, I think it appeared that Luke Brooks was given the keys because Cherry was MIA. I don't think this was deliberate, and in fairness, Brooks was mostly MIA until the second half as well. But somebody had to take the role of a half.

Paseka and Tom are huge outs. Saab's pace was missed. we need some dynamic Props that can bend the line. Why haven't we reached out to Lodge? he was pretty good in his limited games last year and is currently unemployed is he not?

Agreed. And we have signed Lodge, so he is not unemployed. But he's injured, and also not able to play until round 11, I think. Can't remember the details, but it's an odd contract.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Um, I think it appeared that Luke Brooks was given the keys because Cherry was MIA. I don't think this was deliberate, and in fairness, Brooks was mostly MIA until the second half as well. But somebody had to take the role of a half.



Agreed. And we have signed Lodge, so he is not unemployed. But he's injured, and also not able to play until round 11, I think. Can't remember the details, but it's an odd contract.

I tend to disagree with the Brooks point. from my viewing he was front and centre from the first few minutes. Taking most of the long kicking and running plays. looked like a gameplan to me. but could be completely wrong.

And as for the Lodge deal that completely got past me. would be nice if the club kept us updated given our obvious lack of front row options.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Bring back Tooves or what about CHOC is he ready??

I love Choc but his temperament doesn’t scream head coach material.

 

[Cameron]

Honestly, our attack today was absolutely bereft of any meaningful direction. Apart from two intercept trays we were complete crap. This guy is one dimensional in his coaching. The Warriors made him look silly in Auckland. The Storm made him look very silly at Brookvale. And an off their game Sharks made him look like the pop gun attack coach he so obviously is.

Oh, and he's just too bloody nice, as if he's so scared of upsetting the players.

I'm going to say something here most people won't expect. I'm a big fan of Daly but unlike a Joey Johns, Thurston, Cam Smith (the fake one not the poster of this comment) or Alan Langer, Daly has never been able to carry a team on his back. He's a very good halfback but he has always done his best work with the likes of the Stewart brothers, foz or Tom in the team. He's never been able to get the side dominant with out those guys.

The were some warning signs in the the Canberra game we dominated field position and possession for 0 before big red got sin binned and it was the same against the sharks.

 

[Nordburg]

I tend to disagree with the Brooks point. from my viewing he was front and centre from the first few minutes. Taking most of the long kicking and running plays. looked like a gameplan to me. but could be completely wrong.

And as for the Lodge deal that completely got past me. would be nice if the club kept us updated given our obvious lack of front row options.

The club has kept everybody up to date on the Lodge deal and Seibold even mentioned the details at a press conference not so long ago

 

[LeonardCohen]

I tend to disagree with the Brooks point. from my viewing he was front and centre from the first few minutes. Taking most of the long kicking and running plays. looked like a gameplan to me. but could be completely wrong.

And as for the Lodge deal that completely got past me. would be nice if the club kept us updated given our obvious lack of front row options.

The Lodge situation has been communicated officially by the club. He was offered a deal last year and declined it to take up a better offer with Souths. The offer at Souths was pulled and the Dragons offer was not substantial enough to warrant packing his things to move his family from the Northern Beaches. So he accepted a train and trial deal with Manly but that means he is ineligible until round 11. Until then, he’s working in construction and had a professional boxing fight.

 

[Dion Johnson]

I'm going to say something here most people won't expect. I'm a big fan of Daly but unlike a Joey Johns, Thurston, Cam Smith (the fake one not the poster of this comment) or Alan Langer, Daly has never been able to carry a team on his back. He's a very good halfback but he has always done his best work with the likes of the Stewart brothers, foz or Tom in the team. He's never been able to get the side dominant with out those guys.

The were some warning signs in the the Canberra game we dominated field position and possession for 0 before big red got sin binned and it was the same against the sharks.

Very lucky against the Raiders with all the early ball, two barge overs and two tries from bombs, the best try laid on by the halves was the kick from DCE for Garrick to score out of seven tries scored.

For me DCE and Brooks have been very disappointing with their last three matches, the attack has lacked shape in the opposition red zone and their lack of creativity got shown up by Trindall on Saturday.

 

[Nordburg]

Very lucky against the Raiders with all the early ball, two barge overs and two tries from bombs, the best try laid on by the halves was the kick from DCE for Garrick to score out of seven tries scored.

For me DCE and Brooks have been very disappointing with their last three matches, the attack has lacked shape in the opposition red zone and their lack of creativity got shown up by Trindall on Saturday.

What did it for me was on the last tackle of one set,DCE ran sideways and instead of either kicking through the line trying to get a line drop out or throwing it out the back for Koula,he gave a hospital pass to BenT who was clearly marked and was going nowhere.DCE had the hide to give Ben a dirty look then a shake of the head.A few times on Saturday,they looked to run on the last and not kick

 

[Phobia]

Our poor recruitment is more significant than the injuries. Every club cops injuries it's part of the game. Siebs has harped on all off season about creating competition for spots by adding quality depth signings. But now we get a couple of injuries he's quickly changed his tune and started using injuries as an excuse.

The coach is responsible for the old man forward pack.

The coach is responsible for the Josh Schuster debacle.

The coach is responsible for Jamie Humphries being released.

The coach has had two full seasons to shape the squad.

The buck stops with the coach.

Mate, would you rather our depth be Kurt De Luis and Sean Keppie, or Siua Taukeiaho and Jazz Tevaga? These are the choices he's had. I know what I prefer.

He's responsible for the old man forward pack, but what is he supposed to do, release Jake? Sink the ship? We have had zero cap space for ages. I'd rather a pack full of old man Taukeiaho's over young plodders like Aitasi James (as an indicator of what you get for that same money).

"The coach is responsible for the Josh Schuster debacle."

This has to be ragebait. Yeah Schuster couldn't stop piling in food because Seibold told him to do it or something. Are you kidding me?

"The coach is responsible for Jamie Humphries being released."

Never was released. His contract expired, when he emerged into first grade, in a time frame they didn't expect, and in a position they didn't expect. Then, much like how POS at the Knights has favoured Brown for a long time, the (at the time) new Souths recruitment manager at the time threw the cash at Humphreys, which we could not match. DCE then tells them he's going two months after Humphreys has left the club.

"The coach has had two full seasons to shape the squad."

And 2/4 four years of a Trbojevic contract he didn't sign.

And 2/3 years of a DCE contract he didn't sign.

While nearly a third of the cap is tied up in decisions he had no say in, it's not his team.

 

[Nordburg]

Mate, would you rather our depth be Kurt De Luis and Sean Keppie, or Siua Taukeiaho and Jazz Tevaga? These are the choices he's had. I know what I prefer.

He's responsible for the old man forward pack, but what is he supposed to do, release Jake? Sink the ship? We have had zero cap space for ages. I'd rather a pack full of old man Taukeiaho's over young plodders like Aitasi James (as an indicator of what you get for that same money).

"The coach is responsible for the Josh Schuster debacle."

This has to be ragebait. Yeah Schuster couldn't stop piling in food because Seibold told him to do it or something. Are you kidding me?

"The coach is responsible for Jamie Humphries being released."

Never was released. His contract expired, when he emerged into first grade, in a time frame they didn't expect, and in a position they didn't expect. Then, much like how POS at the Knights has favoured Brown for a long time, the (at the time) new Souths recruitment manager at the time threw the cash at Humphreys, which we could not match. DCE then tells them he's going two months after Humphreys has left the club.

"The coach has had two full seasons to shape the squad."

And 2/4 four years of a Trbojevic contract he didn't sign.

And 2/3 years of a DCE contract he didn't sign.

While nearly a third of the cap is tied up in decisions he had no say in, it's not his team.

Is the players in the Rabbits team,Bennett’s?

 

[Thewestisbest]

I tend to disagree with the Brooks point. from my viewing he was front and centre from the first few minutes. Taking most of the long kicking and running plays. looked like a gameplan to me. but could be completely wrong.

And as for the Lodge deal that completely got past me. would be nice if the club kept us updated given our obvious lack of front row options.

Brooks was definitely playing as the dominant half from the get go. No doubt about it.

 

[G-land Express]

I love Choc but his temperament doesn’t scream head coach material.

Could be right but I reckon his sponsor punching days are a distant memory.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Mate, would you rather our depth be Kurt De Luis and Sean Keppie, or Siua Taukeiaho and Jazz Tevaga? These are the choices he's had. I know what I prefer.

He's responsible for the old man forward pack, but what is he supposed to do, release Jake? Sink the ship? We have had zero cap space for ages. I'd rather a pack full of old man Taukeiaho's over young plodders like Aitasi James (as an indicator of what you get for that same money).

"The coach is responsible for the Josh Schuster debacle."

This has to be ragebait. Yeah Schuster couldn't stop piling in food because Seibold told him to do it or something. Are you kidding me?

"The coach is responsible for Jamie Humphries being released."

Never was released. His contract expired, when he emerged into first grade, in a time frame they didn't expect, and in a position they didn't expect. Then, much like how POS at the Knights has favoured Brown for a long time, the (at the time) new Souths recruitment manager at the time threw the cash at Humphreys, which we could not match. DCE then tells them he's going two months after Humphreys has left the club.

"The coach has had two full seasons to shape the squad."

And 2/4 four years of a Trbojevic contract he didn't sign.

And 2/3 years of a DCE contract he didn't sign.

While nearly a third of the cap is tied up in decisions he had no say in, it's not his team.

So what you're saying is because we have three players taking up 3 million in the cap, the only option is to take a punt on washed up rejects from other clubs? What a joke. I will give you a few examples, I could give you more.

How did the Panthers manage to sign Scott Sorensen, Luke Garner, David Hosking, Isaiah Papalii and the like despite having Cleary, Edwards, Yeo, Martin, To'o and many others on big contracts? What about the Dogs? They have Kikau, Burton, Mahoney, Crichton on big coin. I don't see them signing washed up, slow in the legs forwards. I won't even bother with the Storm or Roosters.

Josh Schuster was re signed by Spoon for massive dollars before having his contract terminated a few months later at a cost of 200k per year for 2 or 3 seasons. We sure could use that coin now and that's where the perceived upgrade on Woods came from. An overweight second rower on elite money who should never have been extended in the first place.

Canterbury was a mess when Ciraldo took over the same time as Spoon.

Stop making excuses.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Mate, would you rather our depth be Kurt De Luis and Sean Keppie, or Siua Taukeiaho and Jazz Tevaga? These are the choices he's had. I know what I prefer.

He's responsible for the old man forward pack, but what is he supposed to do, release Jake? Sink the ship? We have had zero cap space for ages. I'd rather a pack full of old man Taukeiaho's over young plodders like Aitasi James (as an indicator of what you get for that same money).

"The coach is responsible for the Josh Schuster debacle."

This has to be ragebait. Yeah Schuster couldn't stop piling in food because Seibold told him to do it or something. Are you kidding me?

"The coach is responsible for Jamie Humphries being released."

Never was released. His contract expired, when he emerged into first grade, in a time frame they didn't expect, and in a position they didn't expect. Then, much like how POS at the Knights has favoured Brown for a long time, the (at the time) new Souths recruitment manager at the time threw the cash at Humphreys, which we could not match. DCE then tells them he's going two months after Humphreys has left the club.

"The coach has had two full seasons to shape the squad."

And 2/4 four years of a Trbojevic contract he didn't sign.

And 2/3 years of a DCE contract he didn't sign.

While nearly a third of the cap is tied up in decisions he had no say in, it's not his team.

Why didn't Spoon re sign Humphreys? He managed to do so at huge overs with Schuster? Bennett got him for a song.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Schuster may yet come good. But it was clear as day he needed to be offered a much reduced incentive based deal or be allowed to walk. Bennett got Schuster and Humphreys for pocket change and we are paying 600k or more for nothing. All under Spoons watch.

 

[Kalvin]

Brooks was definitely playing as the dominant half from the get go. No doubt about it.

I've noticed a couple of games this season that Brooks has been doing the majority of the long kicking/ taking the lead instead of dce actually

 

[Phobia]

So what you're saying is because we have three players taking up 3 million in the cap, the only option is to take a punt on washed up rejects from other clubs? What a joke. I will give you a few examples, I could give you more.

How did the Panthers manage to sign Scott Sorensen, Luke Garner, David Hosking, Isaiah Papalii and the like despite having Cleary, Edwards, Yeo, Martin, To'o and many others on big contracts? What about the Dogs? They have Kikau, Burton, Mahoney, Crichton on big coin. I don't see them signing washed up, slow in the legs forwards. I won't even bother with the Storm or Roosters.

Josh Schuster was re signed by Spoon for massive dollars before having his contract terminated a few months later at a cost of 200k per year for 2 or 3 seasons. We sure could use that coin now and that's where the perceived upgrade on Woods came from. An overweight second rower on elite money who should never have been extended in the first place.

Canterbury was a mess when Ciraldo took over the same time as Spoon.

Stop making excuses.

Kikau, Mahoney, Burton, and Crichton are not on anywhere near the same money as DCE, Turbo, Jake and Olakau'atu combined. They largely occupy those same roster salary spots. Additionally, Ciraldo had a say in the signing of two of them I believe. Collectively, there is probably about $2.4 million spent on those four, and about $3.8 spent on our four. Very different propositions, when you consider that all 30 contract spots must have at least $120k (I believe) allocated. That effectively means that we have $7 million / $11.5 million on the cap gone. We have 4 and a bit million total to sign players ABOVE the NRL minimum wage. Canterbury are at about $5.6 million, which is a very different proposition, and have a number of middles that have come through their system, whereas we have to sign them from outside. Additional contracts that were there before Seibold has held influence are Aloiai and Garrick.

Importantly, the Panthers players have been on considerable unders during this entire time. That has not been the case for our "big three". When Spencer Leniu was on $200k there, it becomes blantantly obvious how they could afford those players.

Josh is a good person who was going through a lot, and often these sorts of setbacks are unpredictable. He had a major one.

If you're saying this is all "Spoonys" fault, can you tell me what Des did better? Oh funny about that, he had the exact same problems, and had people like Morgan Boyle on random multi-year deals.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Kikau, Mahoney, Burton, and Crichton are not on anywhere near the same money as DCE, Turbo, Jake and Olakau'atu combined. They largely occupy those same roster salary spots. Additionally, Ciraldo had a say in the signing of two of them I believe. Collectively, there is probably about $2.4 million spent on those four, and about $3.8 spent on our four. Very different propositions, when you consider that all 30 contract spots must have at least $120k (I believe) allocated. That effectively means that we have $7 million / $11.5 million on the cap gone. We have 4 and a bit million total to sign players ABOVE the NRL minimum wage. Canterbury are at about $5.6 million, which is a very different proposition, and have a number of middles that have come through their system, whereas we have to sign them from outside. Additional contracts that were there before Seibold has held influence are Aloiai and Garrick.

Importantly, the Panthers players have been on considerable unders during this entire time. That has not been the case for our "big three". When Spencer Leniu was on $200k there, it becomes blantantly obvious how they could afford those players.

Josh is a good person who was going through a lot, and often these sorts of setbacks are unpredictable. He had a major one.

If you're saying this is all "Spoonys" fault, can you tell me what Des did better? Oh funny about that, he had the exact same problems, and had people like Morgan Boyle on random multi-year deals.

I think Kikau, Burton, Crichton and Mahoney combined, are on massive coin. I think this idea that we are hamstrung by big contacts is a myth. The cap has gone up so much that we can have these big contacts and assemble a strong squad. The issue is not a cap out of whack, it’s our performances.

I have no issue with how the cap has been balanced, I have an issue with how little football Tom plays, how one of them doesn’t want to be here anymore, and how slow Jake has gotten. It’s not an imbalanced cap if those guys were giving us their best versions of themselves.

What I mean to say is I think it’s pretty normal to have so much tied up in a few players. We just aren’t getting our money’s worth from two (at times three when DCE turns it up) that is the issue.