Sack Seibold Immediately

[Eagles4Life]

Who knows? We chased O'Brien.
Who are our assistant coaches for next year?

Hmm........... This aged well...... Assuming, of course, that the AOB chase has been successful.
Watch this space @XV-1 et al
Please note that you still have time to make more **** up on this pursuit.

 

[frank stokes]

Everyone has their own thoughts,I am not of the thought that the club is a **** show.
I think that he has been a little hamstrung by having to keep club legends like Tom,Jake and DCE happy(part of the issue having very tribal locals with a small junior nursery producing local heroes).
I thought he was trending upwards until this season,losing Paseka,Aloiai,Croker and long stints on the sideline from Ola and Jake in my opinion has ****ed us.
Madge halfway through the year was being written about as on the way out as the Broncos form was rubbish and Walsh was injured and seriously out of form,Reynolds was injured,Mam was doing Mam things.
I don't know that the coach or their system/structure had anything to do with the turnaround.
I don't see the infighting and leaks from within the club as was in the past,the club has changed the junior recruitment structure and we are slowly getting our contract situation under control.
There were some poor performances and selections from Seibold,but I think under Mestrov things are looking up,you will always be ****ed around by disgruntled/entitled players and managers though.

I will grant you that we are potentially not worse than we were circa 2015-2023 but every “green shoot” seems to wither… I was initially impressed with the changes Mestrov made but this year has been more of the same old failures played out in the media and I have been really non-plussed with some of the signings the last 2 seasons (jmo)…

As for Madge, regardless of what the media may have been salivating over, he made some really Smart Selection decisions this year… he brought in Shibasaki (who had no reputation), dropped Cobbo (despite his reputation), played Walters at 5/8 which was a big call and rotated forwards in and out of the squad based on form…

I hate the donkeys but Madge has coached them very well and you can see that they are no longer playing the flashy no-responsibility footy that was losing them games earlier in the season… they are now willing to win the grind (of course it helps when you have the props they do)

 

[Smokin Joe]

I will grant you that we are potentially not worse than we were circa 2015-2023 but every “green shoot” seems to wither… I was initially impressed with the changes Mestrov made but this year has been more of the same old failures played out in the media and I have been really non-plussed with some of the signings the last 2 seasons (jmo)…

As for Madge, regardless of what the media may have been salivating over, he made some really Smart Selection decisions this year… he brought in Shibasaki (who had no reputation), dropped Cobbo (despite his reputation), played Walters at 5/8 which was a big call and rotated forwards in and out of the squad based on form…

I hate the donkeys but Madge has coached them very well and you can see that they are no longer playing the flashy no-responsibility footy that was losing them games earlier in the season… they are now willing to win the grind (of course it helps when you have the props they do)

For me,the only reason they are in the final and not 12th is Walsh,he has been the reason for them winning a game so many times after he got his mojo back.Doubt they would have come back in the semi without him.

 

[Rafferty]

I will grant you that we are potentially not worse than we were circa 2015-2023 but every “green shoot” seems to wither… I was initially impressed with the changes Mestrov made but this year has been more of the same old failures played out in the media and I have been really non-plussed with some of the signings the last 2 seasons (jmo)…

As for Madge, regardless of what the media may have been salivating over, he made some really Smart Selection decisions this year… he brought in Shibasaki (who had no reputation), dropped Cobbo (despite his reputation), played Walters at 5/8 which was a big call and rotated forwards in and out of the squad based on form…

I hate the donkeys but Madge has coached them very well and you can see that they are no longer playing the flashy no-responsibility footy that was losing them games earlier in the season… they are now willing to win the grind (of course it helps when you have the props they do)

I agree, Madge’s done a good job, they were in all sorts, his turned that around and bonded the group. I think the early season discontent with Madge was around how hard he physically pushed them through the pre season, the players were open about that, thing is they have vastly improved of the back of it.

And you're right he made some tough selection calls, switching Carrigan up front with Kobe was another, which wouldn’t have been easy to swallow for their captain, it was a team first learning curve, which has them now thinking and playing like a team, not a bunch of self titled individuals, who believed they owned a number.

You now regularly hear the players acknowledge Madge post match for working them so hard , it’s paid off as they’ve peaked into their finals run, able to stay focussed for the full 80 - 95mins now.

And for me, Madge rides the energy, possibly even generating some in his own weird kind of way, it’s a bit similar to Bellyache, it reverberates through the group, you kind of feed off it and want to give what you’ve got to it, which is vastly different to our house. Ryles while fresh, is another the playing group seems to have immediately bonded with, makes a crazy difference when the coach has those qualities and the players buy in.

Unfortunately, I just don’t think Seibs has those qualities, he seems like a decent bloke, but it takes more than that to bond the playing group in that special way, least of all bring the energy and qualities to achieve what it’ll take. Madge’s had premiership success in the Uk and the NRL and coming off the back of Origin series win most likely helped with his acceptance, while it was a rocky start, it’s obvious the boys now have a different focus, their super fit and they play for him and the team, with a team first mentality.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not a Maguire fanboy, in fact he seemed like a raving lunatic during his Tigertown fiasco, but the passion is obvious, given a group like the origin squad, now the Donkeys, his been able to get the job done. Funnily enough he rejected us a while back and I can fully appreciate why he did, probably wish he didn’t though as that resulted in Barrett. Our club has a plenty to address before we taste any kind of success moving forward.

I’m not a Seibold fan, I’ve never hidden that and I don’t understand the mentality that gets thrown around, suggesting there’s no one better out there, so the best bet is to stick with Seibs. It seems he’ll see out his term now baring some sort of disaster next year, so hopefully the group finds something next year now the polarising one has moved on. I still don’t think we have cattle regardless, thing is we mustn’t go backwards, so I hope Seibs proves me wrong, taking us into September has to be the first step, it will be interesting to see how we start the year and if we can generate some momentum as team. I already want the 26 season to kick off, feels like it’s going to be a long summer……

 

[double hoops]

Has it crossed people's minds that Seibold has needed to get a few noses out of joint to get the Manly team a moving? If he takes the 13 off Jake, we might just have a coach.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I agree, Madge’s done a good job, they were in all sorts, his turned that around and bonded the group. I think the early season discontent with Madge was around how hard he physically pushed them through the pre season, the players were open about that, thing is they have vastly improved of the back of it.

And you're right he made some tough selection calls, switching Carrigan up front with Kobe was another, which wouldn’t have been easy to swallow for their captain, it was a team first learning curve, which has them now thinking and playing like a team, not a bunch of self titled individuals, who believed they owned a number.

You now regularly hear the players acknowledge Madge post match for working them so hard , it’s paid off as they’ve peaked into their finals run, able to stay focussed for the full 80 - 95mins now.

And for me, Madge rides the energy, possibly even generating some in his own weird kind of way, it’s a bit similar to Bellyache, it reverberates through the group, you kind of feed off it and want to give what you’ve got to it, which is vastly different to our house. Ryles while fresh, is another the playing group seems to have immediately bonded with, makes a crazy difference when the coach has those qualities and the players buy in.

Unfortunately, I just don’t think Seibs has those qualities, he seems like a decent bloke, but it takes more than that to bond the playing group in that special way, least of all bring the energy and qualities to achieve what it’ll take. Madge’s had premiership success in the Uk and the NRL and coming off the back of Origin series win most likely helped with his acceptance, while it was a rocky start, it’s obvious the boys now have a different focus, their super fit and they play for him and the team, with a team first mentality.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not a Maguire fanboy, in fact he seemed like a raving lunatic during his Tigertown fiasco, but the passion is obvious, given a group like the origin squad, now the Donkeys, his been able to get the job done. Funnily enough he rejected us a while back and I can fully appreciate why he did, probably wish he didn’t though as that resulted in Barrett. Our club has a plenty to address before we taste any kind of success moving forward.

I’m not a Seibold fan, I’ve never hidden that and I don’t understand the mentality that gets thrown around, suggesting there’s no one better out there, so the best bet is to stick with Seibs. It seems he’ll see out his term now baring some sort of disaster next year, so hopefully the group finds something next year now the polarising one has moved on. I still don’t think we have cattle regardless, thing is we mustn’t go backwards, so I hope Seibs proves me wrong, taking us into September has to be the first step, it will be interesting to see how we start the year and if we can generate some momentum as team. I already want the 26 season to kick off, feels like it’s going to be a long summer……

Personally, I think you’re being way too kind to McGuire; that Broncos roster is absolutely stacked to the nines and should be challenging for premierships…imagine picking up a QLD Origin player/million dollar halfback from another club when you’ve got Mam and Reynolds in the halves already, and you’ve already got Haas, Carrigan, Walsh, and co?! Oh and Cobbo (prior to injury) spending time in QLD Cup. It’s ridiculous.

Walters was hopeless and still managed to get them to the 23’ big dance before they beat themselves. Most of their success is the roster and they simply need a guy to put some fire in their bellies. He’s no tactical genius. He struggled at the Tigers because the roster was subpar and I think he’d struggle to do better than Seibs at Manly with what we’ve got.

 

[frank stokes]

For me,the only reason they are in the final and not 12th is Walsh,he has been the reason for them winning a game so many times after he got his mojo back.Doubt they would have come back in the semi without him.

He might be their point scorer but they won games without him and imo it is their engine room that are winning the contests (especially in the second half of games) and giving him the field position and opportunity to still be in a position to win the game...