Cross-Forum-Discussion Round 5 2022

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Didn't realise Tedesco was only 29, he's fallen off hard. Shouldn't be first choice fb for NSW or Australia anymore.



Unfortunately with Fittlers allegiance with the rorters Teddy isn't going to be dropped from Origin at least
 
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And the problem comes in when players take unders to stay at (or go to) successful and/or well-run teams - like Coates taking less money to go to the Storm. By definition, then, the salary cap is NOT working as intended, as it is not levelling the playing field at all, there is still an imbalance.

Is it better than an unmitigated free-for-all? Of course. But it's not a good long-term solution because it is still leading to entrenched 'winners' and 'losers'. Compare and contrast the Storm with the Tigers and tell me the cap is working just fine (I know there's many other factors at play in that comparison but it does illustrate the point).



For twenty years the Broncos did quite well out of a salary cap that was equal with the Sydney teams (and still is). Players would stay for less in Brisbane because: they had grown up there / their families were there, the aspirational nature of playing for the Broncos during that very successful time, and (importantly) the fact that it was much cheaper to have a great lifestyle north of the Tweed. Probably more so then than now. Club officials in Sydney were offering good Broncos players much bigger money to move back in the day and very few did.

Being a high-profile, successful player in very large RL-loving demographic in Brisbane must have had other rewards too. Sponsorships galore, people thinking that the sun shines out of all that you do. Translate your club success over to SOO and you're pretty much a RL idol in QLD. Unfortunately - it's had a downside.

Like Rome, the downfall has come from within. It seems that the granting of a Broncos jersey to some players in recent years may have given these same players the idea that they had 'made it' - and could do a lot of crap off the field, and not a lot of anything on it (and get paid overs to do so). As an outsider looking in, it looks like Kevvie was put in to put a best-practice culture back into the jersey again from the ground up, and it looks like that's going to take time.
I don't think he's in the top-shelf of tacticians, but his intent seems right.I'm sure the current crop of players probably have more personal accountability than the Broncos circa 2019-2020, 'case a lot of the players with mental baggage have gone.

My puzzle is - how did you guys let Ethan Bullemor go? Hard worker, great attitude, smart, fast (which can't be coached), loads of football potential. The salary cap at Red Hill must be way off if he couldn't have been fitted in under it.
 
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Not sure that your definition is correct in footie terms where a trip occurs when the defender uses only his leg/foot and is hands off!
Do the rules state that a trip only involves the leg/foot. In judo, you have plenty of trips that involve holds as well as sweeping the legs. Either way, there's no need for it and by classifying it as a trip you remove it from the game.


 
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Oh absolutely, this just illustrates my point that it's not working.

You could make an entire team from ex-Broncos players who are playing for other teams, which would rival (or beat) the current squad. Well, in fairness Griffin is trying to do this at the Dragons...




It’s not the leagues fault none of your guys want to stay at your club.


 
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The Warriors have been diabolical throughout its history, and I could be wrong, but I don’t recall any of our guys jumping ship to a contender for less pay…


 
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The Warriors have been diabolical throughout its history, and I could be wrong, but I don’t recall any of our guys jumping ship to a contender for less pay…
SJ maybe? Charnz and Papalii? Although I’m not sure how much they were on, and they were hardly wanted by the club at that point


 
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Excellent start, both teams running hard and defending assertively, hopefully they keep it up, that would see an outstanding game.


 
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Good to see Herbert's passing is still spot on👍


 
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Shane Flanagan: he’s an NRL player

Thanks Shane, what else you got?


 
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😆 Anyone still missing Isaako?


 
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Isaako actually did well to get his body in the way to slow him down then so Brimson could get underneath him.


 
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Titans look horrible on their left side.


 
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I love that Isaako has basically transferred the Broncos form to the Titans since going there.


 
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I love that Isaako has basically transferred the Broncos form to the Titans since going there.

Just goes to show sometimes it's not the club that's the problem. Sometimes it's just the player.


 
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Vintage Isaako there. Although it was an unnecessary pass.


 
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Oof isaako and Fifita in 3 mins yikes


 
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The Warriors have been diabolical throughout its history, and I could be wrong, but I don’t recall any of our guys jumping ship to a contender for less pay…
Maloney?


This year yet?
 
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Manly proving to be too big a handful for the Gold Coast Titans. They just appear to be in their element rolling along nicely and DCE has the ball on a string.

I think we're also seeing the effects of the penalty crackdown again. Honestly the entire round has been heavily influenced by the referees. The better teams may ultimately be winning, but the referee is having far too big an influence.


 
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Manly fans should be happy with that first half


 
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Manly proving to be too big a handful for the Gold Coast Titans. They just appear to be in their element rolling along nicely and DCE has the ball on a string.

I think we're also seeing the effects of the penalty crackdown again. Honestly the entire round has been heavily influenced by the referees. The better teams may ultimately be winning, but the referee is having far too big an influence.

That’s the thing though, particularly when there’s so many grey area rulings as part of the rules, is that everything can be dictated by the referee. Non-calls or 50-50s can give a team either all the possession, or none of it. It can decide a team scoring 5 tries, or none of them.

When people say ‘yeah but they still lost by x-points’ that still doesn’t change that a referee can influence every part of the game outside any specific incident

If a game is fairly and evenly policed, then obviously the better teams will win more times than not. It’s when it isn’t that it’s usually the worse teams that lose any chance at winning


 

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