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Proof the penalty count is a lottery

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Chip and Chase, May 16, 2008.

  1. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +8,599 /80
    The standard of refereeing is the single biggest blight on the game in my opinion. The refs are having way too much influence on the results of games at the moment. Some of the worst offenders are the video refs.

    Referee debate reaches boiling point

    May 16, 2008 FRUSTRATION with inconsistent refereeing has reached boiling point with leading coaches Brian Smith and Des Hasler hitting out at the massive penalty count swings in 2008.

    Newcastle boss Smith and Manly mentor Hasler have had enough of the massive variations in penalty counts from week to week and have called upon the NRL to clear up the matter.

    Smith voiced his disgust on live television in his post-match press conference to Monday's loss to Melbourne after his side lost the penalty count 10-3, when just a week earlier the Storm had conceded a near season high 11.

    He has continued to vent his frustrations by confirming he had written to the NRL over the issue.

    "I think I asked more than enough questions to take it into next week and maybe the week after," Smith said.

    "(It's) not only about conceding penalties. To be honest that is almost the bottom of the list as far as we are concerned.

    "The last four weeks we have received two, two, four and three penalties. We have played against four absolutely magnificent and disciplined teams if that is the case.

    "It seems strange because a couple of them are actually bottom of the list in penalties conceded, except when they play us.

    "It's all very confusing."

    Manly coach Hasler agrees with Smith's frustrations, with his side having won just two of eight penalty counts in 2008.

    Hasler said he couldn't understand how some sides can concede so few penalties one week, then blow out to double figures the next.

    Parramatta conceded just one penalty when Manly beat them last month, but gave away 10 the following week.

    Other wild swings include Melbourne's run of nine-four-11-three penalties conceded, Newcastle's eight-four-10 or even Wests Tigers seven-two-six.

    Over Manly's opening eight games they've ranged from six to 10 penalties conceded and one to 11 received.

    The Storm have the biggest fluctuations in the NRL with three to 11 conceded and two to 12 received.

    "It's big swings," Hasler said.

    "I think most sides are finding it frustrating with referees at the moment.

    "The refereeing decisions and interpretations have so much of an impact on it now.

    "I don't think we've been on the right side of a penalty count. I think us and Melbourne are the most penalised sides in the competition.

    "We get no 50-50 calls. Some of the penalties we deserve, but it's probably only three a match that we deserve them."

  2. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

    +516 /14
    This is very, very true and not just on the field.  We must be owed 5 or 6 dodgy decisions by the video ref too.  Did anyone think Ennis scored that try last week for instance?
  3. Corso_Pete

    Corso_Pete Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +46 /0
    The rule in regards to grounding the ball seems to change on a week to week basis. In last nights I sure the commentators called a "no try" because the player did not have control of the ball.

    The only thing that stopped Ennis from dropping the ball last week is the that playing field arrived just as the ball was about to fall off his forearm. Clearly he had no control over the ball but the try was awarded.

    Some of the rules and interpretations, particularly stripping of the games at the moment leave me scratching at what is left of my here.
  4. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member

    +215 /5
    I am totally puzzled and confused by the decisions. It is a joke at the moment!!
  5. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

    +2,757 /88
    It is not a lottery when the Storm play in Melbourne- they will be odds on the get all the 50/50 calls, penalities at the rignt time and right end of the field/game.....
  6. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

    +1,475 /8
    The standard of refereeing hasnt changed in quite a while.

    Only the types of dodgy penalties given, have changed.

    Remember last year. We were the team most rooted by a barage of dud calls with the obstruction rule.

    I have always sympathised with the difficulty of the job that the officials do but deadset the standard has dropped after Halligan left and refs boss Finch has to take a fair degree of responsibility. 
  7. Nutzcraw

    Nutzcraw Active Member

    +4 /0
    The game will not improve until we get rid of the Video Refs again.

    I can cop human error but when some dickhead sits in a booth and watches it on TV 4 or 5 times and gets it wrong it really grips my ****.

    The game was better when there was no video ref. It will only get back to where it was if we get rid of them again.

    If you insist on having the video ref, I think they should get ONE look in REAL time from one or two different angles and that's it. If you still can't make up your mind then give it Benifit of the Doubt. Get rid of the "Ref's call."

    The ref throws it up there because he has doubt. If one or two views on the video replay at real speed can't determine what happened then give it benefit of the doubt.

    Also, while I'm at it.

    The video ref should ONLY rule on events that occur when a try is being scored/not scored. Nothing else in General play.

    Also, how can it be that a video ref can rule whether a player is offside on a kick if the player is up to 40m away from where the kicker is but he can't rule on a forward pass??? Same **** isn't it??

    I love Rugby League but the video ref's are making it very difficult to enjoy.
  8. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

    +5,619 /204
    Jatz, what has the former dogs kicker got to do with the refereeing?
  9. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

    +1,475 /8
    I always get that one wrong haha.

    Bloody Bill.

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