Politics / Elections

[Bearfax]

The fundamental factor that one could read in Obama's philosophy of life, was that of people. The fundamental factor that one could read of Trump is money. Perhaps there is some value in both, but in the end the world is about people, money is an artificial tool.

People's lives are far more important and surely, even though religions are corrupted so badly over the centuries, their basic message is about the welfare of us and those about us. Buddha understood that, Christ understood that. It was a step forward away from the issues purely of possession and power.

We live only briefly on this planet and what is most important is the legacy we leave behind. Not the money, but the quality of life. Life is I believe what we understand as God, and therefore it is the most valuable thing. The rest is just window dressing.

 

[Bring back the.... Biff?]

Mate we will have to agree to disagree on this one
Donald Trump is the man and he is here to stay !
Have a great day @The Wheel 🙂

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No one is beating the Donald.. especially not joe frickin biden LOL

 

[Bring back the.... Biff?]

Always fun picking apart something or someone in arguing an opposing position.

Yes, Obama wasnt perfect, but you could tear down any leader if you want to defame them. But I stick to what I said and I'm sure many leaders throughout the world would agree.

Obama faced a hostile senate and later a hostile House of Reps, mainly incited by the ultra right wing Tea Party, a faction even the moderate republicans dislike. He had to find many clever ways to circumvent a system that is so entrenched in that country, that as I said, they are conditioned to the status quo, even if it is inequitable, open to serious violence, and increasingly economically unsound. Trump is merely an example of such growing flaws, such as the pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo that people are increasingly accepting, as well as the holier than thou clap trap that goes along with it.

But to answer like for like about Obama, and rather than list many unsubstantiated allegations as mentioned I cite the following

28 Of Barack Obama’s Greatest Achievements As President Of The United States

Yes Obama did things that were quite questionable. No president is faultless there. But comparing him with Trump is like as they say chalk is to cheese.

I agree you cant compare the two.. obama is the worst president in U.S. history. Under his watch a terrorist islamic calipate came to power and took over 2 countries. Obama care is a joke.. the whole benghzi incident.. bad economy... he signed an absurd amount of executive orders... high rate of unemployment and many terrorist attacks on American soil. (Most government orchestrated/false flag ops) the man is a snake and the fakest scumbag. Its so good trump took his spot, it was so good to watch him squirm hahaha. Chalk and cheese the Donald is miles better no one controls him like Obama and Clinton.
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[Kevinward777]

The fundamental factor that one could read in Obama's philosophy of life, was that of people. The fundamental factor that one could read of Trump is money. Perhaps there is some value in both, but in the end the world is about people, money is an artificial tool.

People's lives are far more important and surely, even though religions are corrupted so badly over the centuries, their basic message is about the welfare of us and those about us. Buddha understood that, Christ understood that. It was a step forward away from the issues purely of possession and power.

We live only briefly on this planet and what is most important is the legacy we leave behind. Not the money, but the quality of life. Life is I believe what we understand as God, and therefore it is the most valuable thing. The rest is just window dressing.

People are most definitely what matter most mate, no counter argument from me there. The saddest part of all is that many of the religious organisations completely lost sight of this simple truth a long time ago. These days their “good”deeds are done for the glory of recognition and they spend too much time in the vault counting their ill gotten gains.

 

[Bearfax]

I agree you cant compare the two.. obama is the worst president in U.S. history. Under his watch a terrorist islamic calipate came to power and took over 2 countries. Obama care is a joke.. the whole benghzi incident.. bad economy... he signed an absurd amount of executive orders... high rate of unemployment and many terrorist attacks on American soil. (Most government orchestrated/false flag ops) the man is a snake and the fakest scumbag. Its so good trump took his spot, it was so good to watch him squirm hahaha. Chalk and cheese the Donald is miles better no one controls him like Obama and Clinton.
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Where did you get this history?

The Islamic rising grew dramatically in the past 20 years and started with the Wahhabis from Saudi Arabia, an extreme Islamic sect born out of Salafism. Bin Laden came from that sect.

The latest rise of Islamic fundamentalism surfaced when the first Bush brought in his huge armies into Saudi territory for the preparation of the invasion of Iraq to oust Saddam, probably a most foolish decision, if any foresight had been used.

Firstly the sect was insulted by the armies on Saudi territory. Secondly, the eventual ousting of Saddam left a vacuum which has been fought over by the Sunnis and Shiites since then, and their increasingly fundamentalist approach to their respective beliefs.

The Wahhabis are not just fundamentalists, they are very wealthy, supported by rich sponsors, including its suspected, some of the Saudi royal family. It is they who initiated the latest World wide rise of Islamic fundamentalism, probably much through oil money. Did you not notice that it followed that the Muslim women in Western countries increasingly started to wear hijabs and niqabs more often, some of which I am told as a protest against the US actions in the Middle East.

9:11 was a direct consequence of US action in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the opening left by Saddam's Bath party's disintegration, led to Iranian supported fundamentalist Shiite action and the rise of ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate, which was in fact more a battle against the Kurdish and Syrian Sunnis. It was the Bush family that opened the Pandora's box in the Middle East in the past 20 years. Trump's alienation of Muslim people in the US is only further fanning a 'them and us' attitude between even moderate Muslims and the West.

 

[Bring back the.... Biff?]

Where did you get this history?

The Islamic rising grew dramatically in the past 20 years and started with the Wahhabis from Saudi Arabia, an extreme Islamic sect born out of Salafism. Bin Laden came from that sect.

The latest rise of Islamic fundamentalism surfaced when the first Bush brought in his huge armies into Saudi territory for the preparation of the invasion of Iraq to oust Saddam, probably a most foolish decision, if any foresight had been used.

Firstly the sect was insulted by the armies on Saudi territory. Secondly, the eventual ousting of Saddam left a vacuum which has been fought over by the Sunnis and Shiites since then, and their increasingly fundamentalist approach to their respective beliefs.

The Wahhabis are not just fundamentalists, they are very wealthy, supported by rich sponsors, including its suspected, some of the Saudi royal family. It is they who initiated the latest World wide rise of Islamic fundamentalism, probably much through oil money. Did you not notice that it followed that the Muslim women in Western countries increasingly started to wear hijabs and niqabs more often, some of which I am told as a protest against the US actions in the Middle East.

9:11 was a direct consequence of US action in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the opening left by Saddam's Bath party's disintegration, led to Iranian supported fundamentalist Shiite action and the rise of ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate, which was in fact more a battle against the Kurdish and Syrian Sunnis. It was the Bush family that opened the Pandora's box in the Middle East in the past 20 years. Trump's alienation of Muslim people in the US is only further fanning a 'them and us' attitude between even moderate Muslims and the West.

Nice copy paste job jeez hahaha. Once they got Saddam and the gaddifi they left both countries in the **** and very weak, weak enough for the abdools to rise and take over iraq and syria. Backed by Turkey and the prince of Qatar who is a big terrorist. Dunno what this has to do with trump lol. Also if you read the comic book koran its them who are against us by the decree of there god muhamMad. The only innocents in islam are muslims. Fact! We didn't open any box they did and now we own them.. All the pieces are in place and they can't do squat. The Saudis are America's bitch. Created by Briton and protected by USA like gaddafi said. British secret service train the saudi royal guard, without america protecting them the shia Persians would of wiped them years ago. I know the history well you cant deny obamas massive stuff ups and trumps actually doing well or was until Covid.

 

[Bearfax]

Nice copy paste job jeez hahaha. Once they got Saddam and the gaddifi they left both countries in the **** and very weak, weak enough for the abdools to rise and take over iraq and syria. Backed by Turkey and the prince of Qatar who is a big terrorist. Dunno what this has to do with trump lol. Also if you read the comic book koran its them who are against us by the decree of there god muhamMad. The only innocents in islam are muslims. Fact! We didn't open any box they did and now we own them. All the pieces are in place and they can't do squat. The Saudis are America's bitch. Created by Briton and protected by USA like gaddafi said. British secret service train the saudi royal guard, without america protecting them the shia Persians would of wiped them years ago. I know the history well you cant deny obamas massive stuff ups and trumps actually doing well or was until Covid.

It wasnt cut and paste. I've known about those facts for years. I even said back in 1990 that the Iraq invasion was a mistake. By the way I live among a lot of Muslims Biff and worked with them in my previous employment so I get to hear both sides of the story, not just the Murdock press

 

[Bearfax]

It wasnt cut and paste. I've known about those facts for years. I even said back in 1990 that the Iraq invasion was a mistake. By the way I live among a lot of Muslims Biff and worked with them in my previous employment so I get to hear both sides of the story, not just the Murdock press and one of my closest friends is Turkish

 

[Bring back the.... Biff?]

It wasnt cut and paste. I've known about those facts for years. I even said back in 1990 that the Iraq invasion was a mistake. By the way I live among a lot of Muslims Biff and worked with them in my previous employment so I get to hear both sides of the story, not just the Murdock press

Anything i said wrong?

 

[globaleagle]

Feel free to keep talking politics in this thread.

We don't want other threads to be taken too far off subject, so knock yourselves out in this one.

 

[BOZO]

No one is beating the Donald.. especially not joe frickin biden LOL

You are spot on feathered friend
Birds of a feather stick together !

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Sorry guys. I'll try to be good. Having no football sends you a little loopy and you start to think of more worldly things that actually you have no way to influence or even be heard by those making the decision. Baaaa. Such is our place in the World. Baaaa

I copied this over to this forum because I wanted to comment on it.
I don't agree that you have no way to influence the more worldly things.
Use your voice (as you do) and that is indeed an influence.
Certainly there are those in the so-called corridors of power who may not hear you yet, and there are definitely plenty who refuse to listen.
But others do hear you, so keep speaking your truth and exerting your influence, it does count 🙂

 

[MuzztheEagle]

While we're on the subject what about......Whataboutis? 😉

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

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[Woodsie]

Politics ... what can go wrong ... the election will be tight ... anyone heard if all the celebrity punchies will be coming back from Canada to vote ? ..

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Hey @Woodsie, I'd actually be interested on you thoughts on the US, given that you have spent a bit of time there (from memory). How do you think it compares to life in Australia as well as where it was 30+ years ago?

I'd would ask the same of Biff, but I think his thoughts are pretty clear, and I doubt he would be willing to give any (coherent) reasoning behind his opinions.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

The US is going down the gurgler big-time and it won’t be pretty. Depression level unemployment combined with burgeoning corona death toll, predictably our own pollies have obediently answered the call so at this stage we can look forward to getting dragged under with them.

 

[Woodsie]

Hey @Woodsie, I'd actually be interested on you thoughts on the US, given that you have spent a bit of time there (from memory). How do you think it compares to life in Australia as well as where it was 30+ years ago?

I'd would ask the same of Biff, but I think his thoughts are pretty clear, and I doubt he would be willing to give any (coherent) reasoning behind his opinions.

Sorry mate, I would not be a good source, my experiences, apart from driving across the country multiple times, and partying in LA, were largely spent in the deep South in communities that I would not suggest were representative of the whole country ...

If I had to summarise my overridding opinion of the States it would be that it is a Nation where the best and worst of the world co-exist in all aspects of life ... I have always felt that if you pointed a camera in any direction you would capture both extremes in the same frame ...

A couple of highlights .....It was while I was there that I witnessed first hand the rapturous joy of the enlightened creationists at a book burning bonefire, the crowd urging and applauding school children as they came up and threw their science books into the flames ...

And who could ever forget the 1991 Gubernational Election for Governor of the Great State of Louisiana .... Not even Monty Python on acid could make that shiite up .... the election came down to the incumbent one Edwin Edwards, a good old boy Democrat, under corruption investagation and whose nickname was the Silver Zipper in reference to his womanising .. when asked his thoughts on a lover of the president being offered $10,000 for a playboy spread, Edwards replied hell boy, if they paid every woman I slept with $10,000 they would go broke .... he also famously said the only way he could lose the election was if they found him in bed with a dead girl or a live boy .... unelectable .. right ... wait for it ... His opponent was one David Duke, a good looking young fella, and particularly handsome in his Grand BooHaa Klu Klux Klan stormtrooper uniform .... resplendant with swastikas and firearm ...

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Sorry mate, I would not be a good source, my experiences, apart from driving across the country multiple times, and partying in LA, were largely spent in the deep South in communities that I would not suggest were representative of the whole country ...

If I had to summarise my overridding opinion of the States it would be that it is a Nation where the best and worst of the world co-exist in all aspects of life ... I have always felt that if you pointed a camera in any direction you would capture both extremes in the same frame ...

A couple of highlights .....It was while I was there that I witnessed first hand the rapturous joy of the enlightened creationists at a book burning bonefire, the crowd urging and applauding school children as they came up and threw their science books into the flames ...

And who could ever forget the 1991 Gubernational Election for Governor of the Great State of Louisiana .... Not even Monty Python on acid could make that shiite up .... the election came down to the incumbent one Edwin Edwards, a good old boy Democrat, under corruption investagation and whose nickname was the Silver Zipper in reference to his womanising .. when asked his thoughts on a lover of the president being offered $10,000 for a playboy spread, Edwards replied hell boy, if they paid every woman I slept with $10,000 they would go broke .... he also famously said the only way he could lose the election was if they found him in bed with a dead girl or a live boy .... unelectable .. right ... wait for it ... His opponent was one David Duke, a good looking young fella, and particularly handsome in his Grand BooHaa Klu Klux Klan stormtrooper uniform .... resplendant with swastikas and firearm ...

Thanks. I ask as I find it interesting how so many people have seem to have strong opinions on what is best for the USA and how well it is doing without any real grounding for that opinion, either through personal experience or (unbiased) learning. Not that this is anything unique, the same could be said of opinions of China, the UK and even our own country.

 

[Woodsie]

My previous post brought back memories so here is a bit more on Edwin Edwards the 4 term Governor of Louisiana .... he was in fact goaled for racketeering ... here are some of his best qoutes ...

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By
Sean Sullivan
Reporter covering national politics
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Original post:
Former Louisiana governor Edwin Edwards (D) is back. He says he plans to run for Congress -- three years after he was released from prison, no less, where he served time for racketeering. (His wife, meanwhile, says he has not decided.)

"The Governor's Wife" on A&E follows former Louisiana governor Edwin Edwards and his tempestuous relationship with his wife, Trina. (Richard Knapp/ A&E)

The return of Edwards to the political mix means the return of one of the most quotable pols in recent history. Here's a sampling of what Edwards has had to say over the years:

1983: "The only way I can lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy." (He won!)

1983: "David Treen is so slow it takes him an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes." (Zing! Edwards defeated Treen)


1991: "Vote for the Crook. It’s Important." (Okay, not exactly a quote. It was Edwards's informal campaign slogan, thanks to Buddy Roemer.)

1991: "The only thing we have in common is we’re both wizards under the sheets." (Edwards was talking about opponent David Duke.)

1991: "No, it wasn't that way. He (the author) was gone when the last one came in." (Edwards was asked about a claim he slept with six women in one night.)

2002: "I did not do anything wrong as a governor, even if you accept the verdict as it is, it doesn't indicate that." (The eternal optimist.)

2002: "I will be a model prisoner as I was a model citizen." (Not your average about-to-check-in-to-prison quote.)

2011: "I give blood for them to make Viagra." (Paging Pfizer.)

2013: "In 1997, when I saw the possibility of going to prison, I had sperm removed from me and stored. … At the time, I was married and we were talking about having a child." (Fortune favors the prepared mind, after all.)

2013: "I assume history will record some of the things I did wrong or they think I did wrong. But responsible, interested people will look at the record, and whatever they say can't erase the record." (Edwards 1, History 0.)

2014: "I'm just figuring out all the legalities and how to set up a super PAC, and then I'm going." (Or not. Coordination laws prevent him from doing such a thing as a candidate.)

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Thanks. I ask as I find it interesting how so many people have seem to have strong opinions on what is best for the USA and how well it is doing without any real grounding for that opinion, either through personal experience or (unbiased) learning. Not that this is anything unique, the same could be said of opinions of China, the UK and even our own country.

If it's not unique then what is your point? Presumably you are not suggesting you are incapable of forming a view of what is happening in the world without having spent time 30 years ago living in each part of it.
Maybe you need to explain your concept of "unbiased learning"!