Damien2812
Bencher
Roosters team is on par with 2006-2010 Scum side and we all know what happened to them. Difference is uncle Nick has too much stroke in the game..
Nick and the Sombrero
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QueefRichards
Bencher
Its really staggering to me how the NRLs former salary cap auditor was an ex player. Besides the obvious conflicts of interest, it's a role for a forensic accountant.
Is the current auditor at least qualified?
Is the current auditor at least qualified?
The Who
Journey Man
YES, according to Nick.
Fluffy
Journey Man
the issue is there is nothing you can do.
It is not illegal for example to bet someone over a game of golf a case of beer for example or 10K over a 6 inch putt
Agree and therein lies the root of the issue when it comes to $$$, it’s why the system needs to move away from a cap and have a points based system.
I’m sort of in the “ pay them what they can get” crowd but we still definitely need to control what rich clubs can do and this would be through a points based system.
If you abandon the cap, the Roosters will sign 30 players at 1.5 million each and won each and every year.
Spreading the talent with points I reckon is the next most equitable.
If the Rorters want to pay Scam ( at his peak) 5 million then let them.
But they can only have two of those elite players.
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Bearfax
Grizzly old fart
The Salary Cap system is too easy to manipulate. Its a bad system. A points system for players of a draft system without tricky deals would be far more equitable. But people Like Politis and Greenberg would oppose it because it would not serve their vested interests. The richer clubs don't want to let go their obvious advantages.. Stuff the game as far as they are concerned, as long as they make money by their team winning, by what ever method that can be manipulated.
That’s true but isn’t that’s what the commission is for??
VLandy’s might be our one hope here as he’s not from the old boys club.
Eaglehauser
Die Hard
Can someone post this article up,
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/eeeb74affaafbbdf52b0850289f9c1a4
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/eeeb74affaafbbdf52b0850289f9c1a4
Cliffymagic
Bencher
I cant post it ,but read it via facebook. Made me want to vomit. Blah blah blah players will take unders to play for " super coach Robinson ". "Incredible 23 juniors in top 30!!!" Fmd what a load of bollocks.
Eaglehauser
Die Hard
Unders my (_|_)
so i guess that rule started and ended with Gifty!!! Typical ‘lets shoe horn’ a rule in to screw Manly and conveniently forget about it ever again - until we want to sign Jake one day for unders
Captain Moondog
Absolute Superstar
Buzz explains how the Roosters aren't rorting the cap. Take Angus Chrichton for instance, that $2.7 mill deal he signed for 3 years works out at exactly $600,000 a season......
Roosters and Raiders getting best players for less in search of success
Phil Rothfield, sports editor-at-large, The Daily Telegraph
October 1, 2019 8:00pm
Subscriber only
The Sydney Roosters are worth almost $2 million more than the NRL salary cap … but it doesn’t mean they are cheating.
An analysis of the talent in both grand final sides reveals the Roosters have a squad that would be worth more than $11.4 million if their players were on the open market.
The NRL salary cap this year is $9.6 million.
However there are genuine reasons why the defending premiers have a more valuable side than most of their rivals, not just the Raiders.
These are estimates of what the players are worth, not their actual salaries. WTF????????
● Players will take “unders” to play and learn under super coach Trent Robinson, the same as they would to play under Craig Bellamy at Melbourne Storm.
● Player agents will send players to Moore Park because of the strong culture which has been led by first Sonny Bill Williams, then Cooper Cronk and Kangaroos captain Boyd Cordner.
● Players will take “unders” to play at a successful club to play finals football and win premierships.
● Players will also take ‘unders’ to play at winning club to increase their State of Origin and international selection chances. (Players get $90,000 to play in an Origin series.)
James Tedesco could earn more but be less successful. Photo: Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images
For years the Roosters have been accused of rorting the cap but a proper analysis also reveals they are sharper at recruitment and develop players better than most of their rivals from under-18s.
An incredible 23 of the top 30 squad have been at the club since under-20s.
The Daily Telegraph has valued the Roosters team at $1.5 million more than the Canberra Raiders.
Champion fullback James Tedesco is an example of a player prepared to accept less money to win premierships rather than struggle at the Wests Tigers.
He is valued at $1.2 million but is only being paid around $900,000.
He went to the Roosters to become a better player under Robinson ahead of Ivan Cleary.
He went to a club run by Nick Politis because it was more appealing than working for Marina Go and Justin Pascoe at the time.
Mitchell’s heart is with the Roosters. Photo: AAP Image/Bianca De Marchi
Centre Latrell Mitchell is another good example. He could get up towards $1 million-a-year at a club like the Canterbury Bulldogs but the Roosters won’t go anywhere near that amount.
In the national capital, coach Ricky Stuart had the opposite problem when he first arrived.
Before this year, when they were no so competitive, he had to pay “overs” to convince players to move to the nation’s capital.
It was then he decided to build his side around the best English players, who were already used to the cooler climate in Canberra and just wanted an opportunity to play NRL.
Sam Ayoub is one of the longest serving player agents in the game.
He knows the market better than most and the reasons why the Roosters can attract the best players.
Roosters and Raiders getting best players for less in search of success
Phil Rothfield, sports editor-at-large, The Daily Telegraph
October 1, 2019 8:00pm
Subscriber only
The Sydney Roosters are worth almost $2 million more than the NRL salary cap … but it doesn’t mean they are cheating.
An analysis of the talent in both grand final sides reveals the Roosters have a squad that would be worth more than $11.4 million if their players were on the open market.
The NRL salary cap this year is $9.6 million.
However there are genuine reasons why the defending premiers have a more valuable side than most of their rivals, not just the Raiders.
These are estimates of what the players are worth, not their actual salaries. WTF????????
● Players will take “unders” to play and learn under super coach Trent Robinson, the same as they would to play under Craig Bellamy at Melbourne Storm.
● Player agents will send players to Moore Park because of the strong culture which has been led by first Sonny Bill Williams, then Cooper Cronk and Kangaroos captain Boyd Cordner.
● Players will take “unders” to play at a successful club to play finals football and win premierships.
● Players will also take ‘unders’ to play at winning club to increase their State of Origin and international selection chances. (Players get $90,000 to play in an Origin series.)
James Tedesco could earn more but be less successful. Photo: Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images
For years the Roosters have been accused of rorting the cap but a proper analysis also reveals they are sharper at recruitment and develop players better than most of their rivals from under-18s.
An incredible 23 of the top 30 squad have been at the club since under-20s.
The Daily Telegraph has valued the Roosters team at $1.5 million more than the Canberra Raiders.
Champion fullback James Tedesco is an example of a player prepared to accept less money to win premierships rather than struggle at the Wests Tigers.
He is valued at $1.2 million but is only being paid around $900,000.
He went to the Roosters to become a better player under Robinson ahead of Ivan Cleary.
He went to a club run by Nick Politis because it was more appealing than working for Marina Go and Justin Pascoe at the time.
Mitchell’s heart is with the Roosters. Photo: AAP Image/Bianca De Marchi
Centre Latrell Mitchell is another good example. He could get up towards $1 million-a-year at a club like the Canterbury Bulldogs but the Roosters won’t go anywhere near that amount.
In the national capital, coach Ricky Stuart had the opposite problem when he first arrived.
Before this year, when they were no so competitive, he had to pay “overs” to convince players to move to the nation’s capital.
It was then he decided to build his side around the best English players, who were already used to the cooler climate in Canberra and just wanted an opportunity to play NRL.
Sam Ayoub is one of the longest serving player agents in the game.
He knows the market better than most and the reasons why the Roosters can attract the best players.
Captain Moondog
Absolute Superstar
Rothfield has managed to take his gibberish to a new level
madmax
Bencher
So the salary cap is 9.6 million, Roosters are amongst the lowest for 3rd party agreements (200,000) & they're valued at 11.4 million?? Therefore their players are playing for peanuts lololol.
Tedesco only paid 900,000???
20 April 2017 > "A cloud of speculation has followed the Origin fullback all season, but News Limited reports that he has signed a $1 million-plus contract with the Chooks".
30 October 2017 > "Cooper Cronk Fox Sports has reported the outgoing Melbourne Storm halfback has inked a two-year deal worth “around $2 million”
18 December 2018 > "Angus Crichton is committed to playing out the 2018 season with Souths, who were not prepared to match the Roosters' enormous offer, which is rumoured to be close to $1 million a year".
So according to Rothfield these 3 players are not getting anywhere near the figures mentioned lolololol..........3 million per year out 9.6 million leaves 6.6 million for the other 27 players?? So 244,000 per each other player??? Players like Mitchell, Cordner, Hargreaves would be in excess of 600,00 each at least which then leaves 4.6 million for the other 24 = 191,000 lololol & the list goes on & on lololol. Looks like most do play for peanuts! FucI< en bull$hit!
Tedesco only paid 900,000???
20 April 2017 > "A cloud of speculation has followed the Origin fullback all season, but News Limited reports that he has signed a $1 million-plus contract with the Chooks".
30 October 2017 > "Cooper Cronk Fox Sports has reported the outgoing Melbourne Storm halfback has inked a two-year deal worth “around $2 million”
18 December 2018 > "Angus Crichton is committed to playing out the 2018 season with Souths, who were not prepared to match the Roosters' enormous offer, which is rumoured to be close to $1 million a year".
So according to Rothfield these 3 players are not getting anywhere near the figures mentioned lolololol..........3 million per year out 9.6 million leaves 6.6 million for the other 27 players?? So 244,000 per each other player??? Players like Mitchell, Cordner, Hargreaves would be in excess of 600,00 each at least which then leaves 4.6 million for the other 24 = 191,000 lololol & the list goes on & on lololol. Looks like most do play for peanuts! FucI< en bull$hit!
Gee there's some good bargains there, we should try to snap up a couple of Taukeaho's if they are only $275k, I thought he's one of the best forwards in the competition.
Eaglehauser
Die Hard
Their 23 “juniors” can be claimed as ‘work experience’ and be free of pay. LMFAO
Fkn Rorters!
23 juniors, poached from other clubs at treble what they could earn if they stayed.
JWH is a great example poached from us for massive $$$ straight out of the 20’s.
All the hard work was done, he didn’t go there for the coach or the culture he went there for one reason.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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