Most important - "Tom T" or "Snake"

[Mark from Brisbane]

I have a monthly deep tissue massage from a bloke called Paul Peachey up on the central coast who was trained by Lockhart. Peachey is an ex lower grade footballer who reckons he could definitely fix Tom. He reckons Toms problems stem from a back slam from Inglis in the origin a couple of seasons back. If anyone like snake wants to pass this onto the club it may be worth a try.

Paul and his twin brother Peter where Moree boys , know them well.

Both had a crack at FG for the Sharks but never quite made it.

Nice guy(S).

 

[40 nil]

Peachey is an ex lower grade footballer who reckons he could definitely fix Tom. He reckons Toms problems stem from a back slam from Inglis in the origin a couple of seasons back. If anyone like snake wants to pass this onto the club it may be worth a try.

It would be good if someone could pass on this info to Tom or the club. It makes sense that an imbalance in another part of the body is causing the hamstring problem - rather than just the hamstrings themselves. Maybe Des would be approachable?

 

[Sheikheagle]

Paul and his twin brother Peter where Moree boys , know them well.

Both had a crack at FG for the Sharks but never quite made it.

Nice guy(S).

Yes mate that’s them. Good blokes, Pete is now massaging as well. I have been seeing Paul for about 10 years and swear by him.

 

[40 nil]

None of the current side would even make that Manly team...

I think Turbo would grab a wing spot and DCE (in best form) would find a place in the halves.

 

[Shnorky]

Snake for winning premierships, tom for avoiding the spoon

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Yes mate that’s them. Good blokes, Pete is now massaging as well. I have been seeing Paul for about 10 years and swear by him.

Small world!!

 

[Waz13]

It would be good if someone could pass on this info to Tom or the club. It makes sense that an imbalance in another part of the body is causing the hamstring problem - rather than just the hamstrings themselves. Maybe Des would be approachable?

I think is fairly common knowledge that hamstring issues can be brought on by ailments in other parts of the body. I’m sure they have covered this ground with Tom. Did they not fly him to melb to see experts from the US. I’m sure this fellow is good but I’d be surprised if they’ve not looked at all angles around his hammys

 

[40 nil]

Lockhart

Steve is still working on the Gold Coast. On his website, there are some Elite Athletes Testimonials

 

[Shnorky]

None of the current side would even make that Manly team...

I think AFB would have, oh that's right, we let him go.

 

[40 nil]

I’m sure they have covered this ground with Tom.

One would hope so, but sometimes there is a qualitative difference between medical & holistic approaches.

 

[Waz13]

One would hope so, but sometimes there is a qualitative difference between medical & holistic approaches.

True. Given we pay him a mil a year, I’d have hoped we’d consulted everyone from the top medics to witch doctors in Haiti! Lol

 

[EagleGT]

Steve is still working on the Gold Coast. On his website, there are some Elite Athletes Testimonials

Steve Lockhart cured my bulging disc and sciatica without even touching me (ie with exercises from his DVD and book). The man is a genius.

 

[Ryan]

Nobody is happy but comments like he'll never play 85 games when he has already exceeded that at 24 just makes you lose credibility

The one thing we have here at present is each other to empathize with, listen to, vent with, so there's probably no need turning on each other to add to the disappointment of the results. I made a off handed frustrated comment about a player who's habitually injured.

 

[TimmyQ]

That's true, but Tom is a very smart footballer & I think he would adapt first game back.

Sadly that hasn't been the case when he's returned from injury in his first game. Our odds plummet and there's optimism galore but the poor bloke is rightfully a bit tentative for fear of busting himself again.. History suggests we shouldn't expect a miraculous turnaround just because he's named at #1.

 

[Scorpio]

I think AFB would have, oh that's right, we let him go.

When has it ever worked out best for both parties when a player asks for a release and the club doesn't grant it?

He looked like he didn't want to be here for the second half of last year and his form had dropped off noticeably.

 

[Little Grubber Kick]

Tom has currently played 96 games in his career

This is correct, and of those 96 we have won 46 and lost 50.

 

[47MVEagle]

Is "modern footwork" like "modern love" i.e it gets me to the church on time?

 

[EagleGT]

Another aspect to fullback play is try scoring rate. Of course that is not the only consideration of their worth to the team, but there are some interesting stats.

In this regard Brett Stewart's strike rate is second to none amongst modern full backs. His try scoring strike rate is 0.7106 tries per match. The nearest I can find is Billy Slater on 0.5913 tries per match. Others with a strike rate >= 0.50 include (in descending order):

Barba 0.5893
Wesser 0.5890
Mullins 0.5837
Hayne 0.5654
Tedesco 0.5652
Inglis 0.5639
Trbojevic 0.5000

Some of these played other positions as well as fullback.

Of course, Trebojevic has played less than half the number of matches as the others on this list (except Tedesco 161 and Barba 168) and his strike rate can change. The only other current NRL player is Tedesco.

Below 0.50 per match:

Bowen 0.4815
Mini 0.4572
Peachey 0.4553
Hodgson 0.4107
Brasher 0.4098
O'Davis 0.3498
Lockyer 0.3465
Schifcofske 0.3077
Tuivasa-Sheck 0.3017
Boyd 0.2581

If I've missed anyone, please suggest who.

 

[Technical Coach]

I think the broader rugby league community including rep selectors would completely disagree with this. When fit Tom is a superstar of this game. I’d say 99% of people involved in the game from players to coaches to administrators agree with this.

That is the whole point of my post, if i felt the same as the broader community there would be no post to start with.

I wouldn't go out of my way to watch Tom play, but i would for the likes of a in his prime B.Stewart, B.Slater, Paps, Tedesco, Hayne, Barba,Ponga etc.

Comparing the highlights reel of Brett to Turbo in the first 4-5yrs or so says it all.(Yes injuries,strength of the squad and coaching instability has played it's part but Tom should still shine more often than he does)

Now once Brett lost his speed it was more about admiring his leadership and defensive organization qualities(while playing on one leg) because i never rated his passing game all that much(although his passing was effective on the left side with some nice touches) and the lack of variety in his running lines sort of bored me to death.

Tom is a very good player who has great games sometimes, still has too many putting his head down moments.(He is improving though in this regard) His footwork is not going to create a hole out of nothing, nor is his turn of speed that is for sure(his speed is more top end or off some fast momentum) and his passing is adequate(like most Fullbacks these days) but nothing spectacular.

Manly are paying big dollars with not much to show for it, now if i was saying this in hindsight i would be a fool "obviously" but I've had this opinion since day dot here and at the moment Tom's ROI is not looking good so far and backing up my original comments years ago.

Still young and Tedesco started to flourish in his mid 20's so now might actually be the time to invest in Tom.

 

[Technical Coach]

Another aspect to fullback play is try scoring rate. Of course that is not the only consideration of their worth to the team, but there are some interesting stats.

In this regard Brett Stewart's strike rate is second to none amongst modern full backs. His try scoring strike rate is 0.7106 tries per match. The nearest I can find is Billy Slater on 0.5913 tries per match. Others with a strike rate >= 0.50 include (in descending order):

Barba 0.5893
Wesser 0.5890
Mullins 0.5837
Hayne 0.5654
Tedesco 0.5652
Inglis 0.5639
Trbojevic 0.5000

Some of these played other positions as well as fullback.

Of course, Trebojevic has played less than half the number of matches as the others on this list (except Tedesco 161 and Barba 168) and his strike rate can change. The only other current NRL player is Tedesco.

Below 0.50 per match:

Bowen 0.4815
Mini 0.4572
Peachey 0.4553
Hodgson 0.4107
Brasher 0.4098
O'Davis 0.3498
Lockyer 0.3465
Schifcofske 0.3077
Tuivasa-Sheck 0.3017
Boyd 0.2581

If I've missed anyone, please suggest who.

Or Manly's attack was too one dimensional with sweeping plays and the F/Back chiming in.

I preferred and enjoyed more the exhilarating athletic young version of Brett with his blistering turn of pace that made something out of nothing, not so much the execute the last pass of a scripted play with tap on fast hands passing.

Even against the Roosters last week that kind of scripted play without enough movement or punch through the middle going out to Foran looked tired and over done already.(as if it was 2014 minus the aging star studded backline talent)