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Moltzen

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by 1978, Oct 1, 2015.

  1. 1978

    1978 Active Member

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    I think he could be our recruitment 'find' for 2016, despite all the negativity, for a few reasons:

    1. With Gutho gone (assuming Killer is 5/8) he is our first specialist reserve back. That means a lot of NRL.
    2. West Tigers are hopeless. Look at how well Blair is playing after leaving to join a strong club.
    3. He came cheap. Surely on not much more than than a second-tier contract.
    4. He was a potential superstar before injury. Granted, that was while ago now, but Manly must be confident his injury problems are behind him. A new club will do him the world of good.
    5. He has plenty of NRL experience and will be very motivated. Far more valuable to our roster than LIttlejohn.

    Relative to the amount paid, he's might well be our best-value recruit so far.

    Like you, I'm disappointed to see Gutho go. But we have enough cover in the backs.
     
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    • Brookvale2015

      Brookvale2015 Active Member

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      Agree could be a great buy but could do his ACL... I think issac john may be playing for kiwis in england keen to see how well he goes he also could be a great buy.
       
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      • maxta

        maxta Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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        He HAD a heap of potential, but has had many serious leg injuries which may effect his greatest asset....speed.
        Agree Moltzen is a naturally gifted player who has been held up due to injury & hope he can string some games together.
        Really see Parcell as THE value signing, who will surprise the NRL in 2016 but an injury free Moltzen could prove a shrewd purchase.
         
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        • sheridanstand78

          sheridanstand78 Well-Known Member

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          If they can get him fit he will be good cover for a few positions and his experience will help. I wish him well as on his day he was a very capable player at the Tigpies.
           
        • Stevo

          Stevo Well-Known Member

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          In 2011 he was on the cusp of origin selection. In 2012 he was the Wests Tigers top try scorer. In 2013 he ruptured the Anterior Cruciate Ligament in the same knee he did in 2010.

          You can't claim a guy is injury prone because the synthetic ligament the surgeon put in failed.

          Brett Stewart has had far more leg injuries and he has come out the other side.
           
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          • Stevo

            Stevo Well-Known Member

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            Can I also add that Tim Sheens played a big part in stalling his career by moving him to halfback.

            Tim Sheens is a ****ing idiot.
             
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            • HappilyManly

              HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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              But the shattered kneecap in 2014 and shoulder reconstruction in 2015 have nothing to do with his artificial ACL - he is known as the most injury prone player in League for a reason @:cool:

              It's their money, so its their risk, but still is very strange recruitment move :wondering:
               
            • Stevo

              Stevo Well-Known Member

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              A shattered knee cap is an impact injury. Not his fault.

              He dislocated his shoulder and all I can find on that injury is that it did not require surgery so not quite the reconstruction you'd have people believe.

              In any case. A knee injury and a shoulder dislocation in 10 years of being at the Wests Tigers make him far from injury prone.

              If he is injury prone then so is snake, Buhrer, Lawrence, Matai etc
               
            • Brothers manly

              Brothers manly Active Member

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              Anybody heard anything about Docker?
               
            • Frank

              Frank Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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              He's waiting for the go-ahead to take the 4 points from the Eels for next season.
               
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              • bob dylan

                bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                Absolute waste salary cap.

                Surely Willie Mason had more to offer, and in a position we look a little bit light on.
                 
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                • HappilyManly

                  HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                  http://www.nrl.com/nrls-unluckiest-player-tim-moltzen-qa/tabid/10874/newsid/83188/default.aspx
                  No impact injury - he was running and his kneecap just snapped - it led to an infection that had him on a drip for months in 2014, an infection that Doctors had never seen :eek:

                  All of Moltzen's injuries are since 2012, and he has them every year since.:confused:

                  The Manly Players you list were already under contract when their injuries occurred, they were fit when we signed them.@:cool:
                   
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                  • The Who

                    The Who Well-Known Member

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                    So, our Ironstines preferred this injury-prone player to our potentially injury-affected local junior, Gutho?
                     
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                    • Snake

                      Snake Doing The Eagle Rock!

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                      Put down the crack pipe for a second and consider that this guy hasn't played an NRL match nearly three whole years...if that doesn't make you an injury risk than nothin ever will...
                      Two peoples knee caps are not the same, two peoples bones attached to synthetic ligaments are not the same, two peoples synthetic ligaments are not the same...all this talk about injuries relating to luck is only telling one half of the story. It's like saying because Pat Farmer can run a marathon, I can too...we've both got legs....but it's not logic.
                       
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                      • tookey

                        tookey Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                        We lose the curerent New Zealand 5/8 and replace him with a guy who hasn't played first grade for years due to injury. FMD we are struggling
                         
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                        • BOZO

                          BOZO Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                          We cant compete with desperate fools like Parra who offer William Hoppa $800 thousand dollars a season back in 2012 and now he is taking them to court to fulfill his promised contract These desperate fools also offered Foran stupendous overs to secure his servicers . FMD Parra are struggling .
                          Moltzen will be replacing Littlejohn and we have options at 5/8 with players like Lyon and Parcell .
                          Enjoy the spring sunshine and look forward to the beginning of another new era of Sea eagle excellence in 2016
                           
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                          • Terry Zarsoff

                            Terry Zarsoff Well-Known Member

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                            • BOZO

                              BOZO Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                              Always remember this feathered friend . We all love Manly and we all are laying in the one Sea eagle nest . Unlike the eels supporters who float like feces along the Parramatta river :)
                               
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                              • Shoe1

                                Shoe1 Well-Known Member

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                                I seem to recall moltzen's impact tended to be making breaks and scoring tries off the bench after about the 65th minute of games. I don't watch other teams much, so can't recall if he played many 80 min games.

                                Happy to have him if he can recapture that game-breaking ability.
                                 
                              • pjayz

                                pjayz Well-Known Member Premium Member

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                                My thoughts are these:
                                - He has plenty of ability, as we have seen in the past
                                - He will be desperate to turn his career around and will be one of the more motivated signings
                                - He would have come very cheaply
                                - He has only just turned 27, so is still young enough to find form and play with speed
                                - He is highly injury-prone
                                - He hasn't played at NRL level for a few years given the young halves the Tigers wanted to run with, so would be rusty at the top level (especially defensively)
                                - I hate that we lost Gutho as much as anyone, and have voiced that on here; however, it's done and I don't necessarily think Moltzen's signing would have made that happen
                                - If he stays fit and injury free, he could be a real asset and a bargain buy
                                - If he cops more injuries or just doesn't re-capture his form, we don't lose much as he is cheap and probably not part of our top 25, so I am not concerned - just hopeful he does well.
                                 
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