Also with the new stand, young team I just have this feeling that if we can sort the 9 problem then we can really give it a great shake
I can see Penrith and Souths both going backwards next season. It will be interesting to see if the Scum's club culture issues, don't have some impact on their performance next year as well. I think we will definitely improve our consistency in the regular season, and we will go top four again. I am not confident that we will do much better in the finals though. We are currently lacking in the mongrel intensity and resilience to match the very top sides at the pointy end of the season. If we can fix this issue in 2020, we are a very good chance of going all the way in 2023. Of course my heart says we can win in both years, but my head says that's extremely unlikely. So 2023 it is.This Manly squad has youth, experience, skill, speed and though lacked that extra resolve in the finals series - maybe this 2021 season has been the platform to hit that next level in the next few seasons.
I also note a few other dominant sides in recent years, are losing a few valuable players and look weakened and if anything, I expect an improved Manly side next season, keep in mind this was a side with basically "new" with Saab, Harper, Foran, Aloiai, Schu, Guoc, Lawton all really only coming together in 2021 making it an even better result for a team many were calling wooden spooners by Round 4....
Not to be a party pooper but I have a feel we are ripe to take the 2023 Premiership, but give 2022 a real shake.
Interested to hear predictions of our "Next" Premiership Win and why ??
I agree with you and it starts in my mind 2022 season end Marty won't be retained , a few more others will be let go.I can see Penrith and Souths both going backwards next season. It will be interesting to see if the Scum's club culture issues, don't have some impact on their performance next year as well. I think we will definitely improve our consistency in the regular season, and we will go top four again. I am not confident that we will do much better in the finals though. We are currently lacking in the mongrel intensity and resilience to match the very top sides at the pointy end of the season. If we can fix this issue in 2020, we are a very good chance of going all the way in 2023. Of course my heart says we can win in both years, but my head says that's extremely unlikely. So 2023 it is.
I agree with you and it starts in my mind 2022 season end Marty won't be retained , a few more others will be let go.
If we can get 2 really hard nosed tough I don't give a s$$t type forwards and actually start hunting as a pack in defence like we did in the 2006-2014 era then we may be a chance.
I think we are about 60% complete squad at the moment we need those 2 or 3 quality signings to take us to that next level.
The only thing which we can't let happen is 2022 be like (2018, 2020) where we had shocking years after playing finals footy the year before. We have to become a more consistent footy side to really be a chance.
I can't think of any that's the real problem.i would of started with Mark Inc from south's and target christian welch from storm which both wont be happening as mark is re signed with souths and welch will be staying at storm.I agree with you on the forwards but am not seeing any/many available who we can buy and develop alongside our existing forwards. It seems like most players that would work well in that role are already on long contracts, and/or priced out of our financial capacity. Any thoughts @davohan123 on who could be possible candidates?
I’m however more pessimistic than many on here so as to winning a Premiership in the next two years I personally can’t see it.
Well said and yes until we get more active specially in the forward market plus a decent 9 if our one doesn’t get off and found not guilty.In the lead up to our last 2 premierships we were heavyweights in the market. Take a look at our main purchases leading up to 2008. Its me opinion we got the very best player on the market from 2005 to 2008.
2005 Kite and Kennedy
2006 Orford & Lyon
2007 Bell & Ballin
2008 Perry & Wolfman
There was of course many others like Bryant, Hall, Rose, Rodney etc etc.who were big contributors.
On top these purchases we developed Watmough, Stewarts x2, Matai, King, Foran, DCE, Buhrer, Hopoate.
I dont think our current squad has anywhere near the required all-round talent to win a comp at the moment. We must get busier in the market but how can we do that with with both Tom and DCE in the squad, and surely we cant win a comp without both of them.Catch 22.
I see your point with needing a plan BI thought we had a premiership porthole this season and may have jagged a trophy that we probably didnt quite deserve. Thats cool we have deserved them before and been pipped so it could have been a karma catchup
i dont see us improving on 4th. honestly we could struggle to make the 8 if tom gets an injury
until we have more facets of our game to rely on, when plan A doesnt work, we will be making up numbers. start of season it seems depth was going to be an issue but harper, keppie, huamole, sipley, de luis, and the shoe were among our best and it seems depth will be a tad better next season for the experience.
we fell down in control, ball security. possession, kicking, patience and a desire to avoid the grind at all costs . I wrote we started our first semi the way we ended the cowboys game . that attitude is the issue
how are we to improve in these areas without key changes to the spine and/or leadership
it appears we only trot out the kicking game when all else fails and the over reliance on Tom has made our halves accessories to the game day result unless its 12 all with a minute to go
These key areas need to be addressed if we want to become contenders , just ask girdler. he knows stuff
with current squad , foz needs to be key playmaker and possibly captain . while he has injuries deep down there is the follow me bloke that needs it one more time. DCE needs to kick through a new pair of boots weekly and back up. but he needs to get serious about the kicking game. At least half our kicks are mid field bombs that after 3 years they have amounted to diddly squat return. some are due to field position but many are due to his positioning out of harms way
if you take position on the blind side 50m out, flat footed with most of the team offside its hard to chose any other kick option. That is an easy fix, just watch every other halfback in the competition
DCE made a name for himself as a sniper really. He stayed in the background with foz, gifty snake and jamie leading the team and struck when no one expected it. He was great at it, very quick off the mark, and in the clear makes good decisions
he needs way less touches, way more kicking and some self control. hopefully new roles may help with that, because its not morphing on its own
its human nature to ignore details when you are winning, and its too late to start again when you start losingI see your point with needing a plan B
Tommy is our plan A
and when he is not available or contained
We had no plan B
There is one thing knowing what to do and another in having the ability to do itits human nature to ignore details when you are winning, and its too late to start again when you start losing
we need a basic game to follow so everyone knows what to do. It also need to be in the front line.