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Manase Fainu

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Brad Fittler is an annoying commentator but was a great player who certainly earned respect. He’s a decent coach and has done better at origin level than Bellamy. Opinions are objective and we are all entitled to them. Fainu is a talent but is wasted a for the time being at least. So Fainu could be anything only the future will tell. Predicting a footballers future is a little like weather forecasting.
 

eagleron

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A difference of opinion :)

Here is a brief resume of his career

Fittler played first grade at age 18 for Penrith during his final year of highschool in 1989 & played in the 1990 GF & was then selected for Kangaroos. He won 2 Grand Finals, 1991 for Penrith & 2002 for Roosters. I think he is the youngest ever Blues debutante. He captained both New South Wales and Australia, and in 2000 was awarded the Golden Boot. He retired as the most-capped New South Wales State of Origin player, inducted into the NSWRL Hall of Fame as an Immortal and third-most-capped Australian international player. Fittler won two Rugby League World Cups as a team captain; he captained the Kangaroos to victory in both the 1995 and 2000 finals, and was also a member of the victorious 1992 team.
And he almost became a Sea Eagle
 

Bulli Eagle

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I just think "great" and "legend" are thrown around wayyyyyy too easily these days. I mean jesus, some journo recently called mick ennis a "league legend"...so forgive me for not thinking fittler as a "league great", and pls no im not comparing the two lol
 

pjayz

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Brad Fittler is an annoying commentator but was a great player who certainly earned respect. He’s a decent coach and has done better at origin level than Bellamy. Opinions are objective and we are all entitled to them. Fainu is a talent but is wasted a for the time being at least. So Fainu could be anything only the future will tell. Predicting a footballers future is a little like weather forecasting.
OK, HOLD THE PHONE!! I’ve been trying to find a way to give my own posts a thumbs up for weeks....
 

Kevinward777

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I just think "great" and "legend" are thrown around wayyyyyy too easily these days. I mean jesus, some journo recently called mick ennis a "league legend"...so forgive me for not thinking fittler as a "league great", and pls no im not comparing the two lol
The most capped SOO player ever for NSW with 31 games, debuted as an 18 year old for Penrith, played in five grand finals, winning two. Captained his state, club and country. Played 40 tests, over 20 tour games and 330 odd NRL games.

Is not worthy of being called a great... Silvertails at its best.
 
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Harry Smith

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"At the end of the day" (does this mean everything added after this commentary has no value and i need not reply or have an opinion)

Fainu had many things to his favour in 2019, a coach that was leaning towards him from the outset probably due to wanting to manage the cap for the future and Api coming back from i think a leg injury during the off season reduced his fitness levels along with confidence for a while.

Generally played shorter minutes and often starting against fresh hard running forwards and fresh defences, seemed more like he was compensating with high defensive work-rate and intensity to the detriment of his attack---also probably lacking general confidence and wanting to compensate elsewhere.

Never got the impression Des wanted Api around or rated him highly and this would of played on Api's mind for sure, but "obviously" Des has to plan ahead so have no gripes with him making a decision and sticking with it.

As i've mentioned several times it's not so much the attacking elements i have an issue with in relation to Fainu(although i do feel it is very exaggerated and his passing is nothing that stands out) it is his defence and the intensity of his work rate in defence---if that improves great we have a decent hooker---but we are still missing a large chunk of what is required from him.

In saying that with the faster game and less wrestle, cricket scores and attack taking priority maybe his output in attack compensates for his defensive deficiencies.
Fair enough

For mine I just don't think he's a bad defender. Or at least that it is a little bit of a non-issue in the broader view of things and on the competent defence of our middles during 2019 (hence the 'at the end of the day' line)

Hedging bets a little at the end, although I do that as much as anyone and know that it is probably due to some level of doubt

Or hope is a better word as we all want what's best for manly :happy:
 

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Not so, it's just that I rate the opinion of the current NSW Blues coach (& all time Rugby League great) more credible than yours.
I don't see where i asked if you value my opinion over others, just that you should form your own opinions and not look for links or others to give you self comfort in having them.
 

sean john

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"At the end of the day" (does this mean everything added after this commentary has no value and i need not reply or have an opinion)

Fainu had many things to his favour in 2019, a coach that was leaning towards him from the outset probably due to wanting to manage the cap for the future and Api coming back from i think a leg injury during the off season reduced his fitness levels along with confidence for a while.

Generally played shorter minutes and often starting against fresh hard running forwards and fresh defences, seemed more like he was compensating with high defensive work-rate and intensity to the detriment of his attack---also probably lacking general confidence and wanting to compensate elsewhere.

Never got the impression Des wanted Api around or rated him highly and this would of played on Api's mind for sure, but "obviously" Des has to plan ahead so have no gripes with him making a decision and sticking with it.

As i've mentioned several times it's not so much the attacking elements i have an issue with in relation to Fainu(although i do feel it is very exaggerated and his passing is nothing that stands out) it is his defence and the intensity of his work rate in defence---if that improves great we have a decent hooker---but we are still missing a large chunk of what is required from him.

In saying that with the faster game and less wrestle, cricket scores and attack taking priority maybe his output in attack compensates for his defensive deficiencies.
Your are right.. i heard from someone close to api and he told me something api said to him. des and api had their differences. Des liked the team training together in the weights room etc apparently api liked coming in early and doing what he had to do and that was that.. and continued to do so apparently. He is also loving being back at Penrith
 

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Your are right.. i heard from someone close to api and he told me something api said to him. des and api had their differences. Des liked the team training together in the weights room etc apparently api liked coming in early and doing what he had to do and that was that.. and continued to do so apparently. He is also loving being back at Penrith
Wonder how that goes for Taupau? I have no knowledge but id say Taupau would do his own weights and wouldn't necessarily do all the teams weights sessions. He just strikes me as that guy
 

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I don't see where i asked if you value my opinion over others, just that you should form your own opinions and not look for links or others to give you self comfort in having them.
I have stated my opinion about Fainu several times in this thread, esp. that he is a very intuitive football player who always seems to take the right option with ball in hand. For some reason, you seem obsessed with your perception of deficiencies in his game and post repetitively about this. Your arguments are not persuasive to me and possibly not to other forum members either. I suggest most forum members would concur that Fainu is a very talented player whose absence in 2020 was one of the main reasons the team fared so poorly. You say that "he still has a long long way to go." Of course, he will improve, but what he's shown as a 20-21 year old dummy half is pretty special and Brad Fittler, a higher authority than either of us, has said "he just seems to have something different, without a doubt". For Manase's sake, I wish him freedom from the charges. I enjoy watching him play and hope we have the chance to see him star for the Sea Eagles for many years to come!

Disclaimer: I am not a footy expert, just a mere mortal who has been supporting the Sea Eagles since 1965 @:)
 

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Fainu is a good young player, for better or worse, attack or defense, he is still young and at this stage in his career with what he has shown he could literally be anything... Unfortunately 'anything' could be either good or bad. Him missing the entire 2020 campaign would have no doubt hurt us but he is definitely not that influential that if he did play we make the top 4 and challenge for the title. The reality is we 3 out of our 4 spine players for basically the whole season and that's where things begin to fall apart. I love Fainu as a player and hope he developes to fulfill his potential but my concern is the people he chooses to hang around and his 'thug life' persona. I don't know him but I believe he seems like a good kid and it would be a shame if that's ruined by the people he surrounds himself with.
I had a chat with Scott Penn earlier in the year and he gave the kid a really good wrap. Fingers crossed he makes the right choices off the field so he can begin thrive on the field.
 

sean john

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Wonder how that goes for Taupau? I have no knowledge but id say Taupau would do his own weights and wouldn't necessarily do all the teams weights sessions. He just strikes me as that guy
You may be right though as I have seen taupau doing deadlifts in videos and I know at alot of clubs don't incorporate that exercise in their programs due to the risk vs reward ratios
 

Bearfax

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I wonder if Api was reluctant to do weight training with the rest of the team because a winger like Miski could outlift them all...or so it is claimed :giggle: Personally i think, what I've seen of Fainu, suggests he'll end up being one of our best hookers in the past 60 years. Reminds me a little of Mal Cochrane, who I always felt should have been given a lot more representative selection. Of course I'm comparing him with Cochrane when the latter was an established player. He'll probably be better than that if he doesn't spend the next few years in the nick.
 

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