Loyalty & Rugby League
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Jethro said:
x3
Its when all this ****e started!!
sheridanstand78 said:
Have to agree re backended contracts. From the outside (no inside knowledge whatsoever) it seems these, rather than pure loyalty, are the reason we've been able to keep this exceptional group together for so long. I guess it was always going to bite us in the bum at some point.
Is there any other universe where such a thing exists?
I sure wouldn't want to be the one trying to balance both the roster and the books.
Ryan
Journey Man
Players should have a cap hit, rather than an individual salary year amount.
Example: Gift
Year one: 250k
Year two: 400k
Year three: 650k
Total Salary: 1.3 million over three years
Cap hit: 433k
Mitigates any back ended deals, which helps clubs retain long standing players. It also encourages longer contracts.
Downside is that if a player falls apart mid contract, your still paying the cap hit regardless (but that's what happens now anyway).
I could then discuss placing injured players on "injured reserve" if injured for a specific time (needs to be more than say 4 games), and the component of the players leave is added back into the salary cap.
Example: Gift
Year one: 250k
Year two: 400k
Year three: 650k
Total Salary: 1.3 million over three years
Cap hit: 433k
Mitigates any back ended deals, which helps clubs retain long standing players. It also encourages longer contracts.
Downside is that if a player falls apart mid contract, your still paying the cap hit regardless (but that's what happens now anyway).
I could then discuss placing injured players on "injured reserve" if injured for a specific time (needs to be more than say 4 games), and the component of the players leave is added back into the salary cap.
ManlyBacker
Winging it
mickqld said:
2005 to 2013 is 9 years!!! Plus I'd suggest that 221 games is a big effort and worthy of being one of the Sea Eagle greats. Glenn is at 179 games according to wiki.
ManlyBacker
Winging it
Hi Mick! Feel free to state your case LOL 
Don't expect things to change any time soon.
Found this in my travels......
Excerpts from DT article June 18 2009:
HIS club is being torn apart but Manly captain Matt Orford yesterday offered to take a huge pay cut to stay at Brookvale.
In an amazing sacrifice, Orford said he was willing to drop $300,000 so the Sea Eagles could keep a number of star players, including NSW Origin forwards Glenn Stewart and Anthony Watmough.
While the board continues to bicker and chief executive Grant Mayer this week became a casualty of club politics, Orford's sacrifice shows the spirit is strong among the players.
and ends with.........
Manly will next week announce they are retaining wingers David Williams and Michael Robertson. There were fears that one of the pair might be shifted as the club battles salary-cap constraints.
Found this in my travels......
Excerpts from DT article June 18 2009:
HIS club is being torn apart but Manly captain Matt Orford yesterday offered to take a huge pay cut to stay at Brookvale.
In an amazing sacrifice, Orford said he was willing to drop $300,000 so the Sea Eagles could keep a number of star players, including NSW Origin forwards Glenn Stewart and Anthony Watmough.
While the board continues to bicker and chief executive Grant Mayer this week became a casualty of club politics, Orford's sacrifice shows the spirit is strong among the players.
and ends with.........
Manly will next week announce they are retaining wingers David Williams and Michael Robertson. There were fears that one of the pair might be shifted as the club battles salary-cap constraints.
Daddycool
Reserve Grader
Loyalty depends on the individual perspective. We as fans will most likely, never earn a living playing Pro football. Therefore it's easy for us to question the loyalty of a player that looks to maximise their earning potential, either with (DCE) or outside (Gifty) the club.
The other point of view to consider is that of the club. The administrators and coaching staff, earn their living by attempting to develop and maintain a successful and winning club. The balancing act this requires has been going on for many years, as the above post indicates.
Personally, I feel disappointed that I'll have to see Gifty wear a Souths jumper next year. I know it's selfish to think like that but I tend to support the club over individual players. I'm also of the opinion, there will be others doing the same thing in the next few years.
However, there are also plenty of positives in the players we have coming thru. The younger guys already in the team as well as Gutherson, the Trbojevics, Chee Kam, Sao, Littlejohn plus others. I'm excited about seeing more of these guys in the coming years.
As far as DCE goes, I think he's a very fine player but if I had to nominate a "keep at all costs" player it is Kieran Foran, all day long. He rejected Hasler to stay at Manly and everything he's said in the media indicates, money isn't everything it him. DCE has always given me the impression, he'll play for the highest bidder. Which I can't blame him for but I don't think the club should (or will) get into a bidding war. If talk of million dollar contracts is right, I'd rather they let him go and got Will Hopoate and Lussick back.
The other point of view to consider is that of the club. The administrators and coaching staff, earn their living by attempting to develop and maintain a successful and winning club. The balancing act this requires has been going on for many years, as the above post indicates.
Personally, I feel disappointed that I'll have to see Gifty wear a Souths jumper next year. I know it's selfish to think like that but I tend to support the club over individual players. I'm also of the opinion, there will be others doing the same thing in the next few years.
However, there are also plenty of positives in the players we have coming thru. The younger guys already in the team as well as Gutherson, the Trbojevics, Chee Kam, Sao, Littlejohn plus others. I'm excited about seeing more of these guys in the coming years.
As far as DCE goes, I think he's a very fine player but if I had to nominate a "keep at all costs" player it is Kieran Foran, all day long. He rejected Hasler to stay at Manly and everything he's said in the media indicates, money isn't everything it him. DCE has always given me the impression, he'll play for the highest bidder. Which I can't blame him for but I don't think the club should (or will) get into a bidding war. If talk of million dollar contracts is right, I'd rather they let him go and got Will Hopoate and Lussick back.
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