Kobe Hetherington

[jbb/james]

Fogerty offers a fresh start. Not sure he needs ti be better rather than different

Our style, our approach that we gave too many opportunities, was not working. Fogerty is a better change than more fudging . We have to grow up and play big boy footy now, the grind , and having someone who knows the journey is better than handing it to youth or brooksy alone

DCE is not a bad footy player, but as captain, halfback, most capped and leader his influence just didnt cut the mustard on so many levels

DCE may very well add extra to an established system, a well built squad , and for cheap enough dollars, but you can not build a team around the enigma. 8 year security had given the club little leverage other than to accept the situation

But to change Manly we needed another 7, a newcaptain, a new voice and a new navigator , and no one had the balls to make him 14, so here we are, and i welcome the fog, a new approach, a different dynamic around the ball, and jakey at press conferences

Reynolds cronks, clearys , hughes
Teams with managers win GF
Teams with game managers feature

Get close and add flair is better than flair or nothing

 

[LeonardCohen]

I watched him closely , he had one bad miss , which did lead to a try , otherwise he went pretty well.

So I think the “ poor in defence “ is better put “ one very bad defensive lapse”.

He had 4 missed tackles , but that was pretty average for all their forwards 3-5 being the average.

He was never signed as a superstar

Agree to disagree. He was left on the ground around the ruck on a number of occasions because he lost the contact and couldn’t get to marker. I’m not just looking at poor reads and/or misses, rather the all round effectiveness of his contact and contribution to his side winning the ruck. I wasn’t impressed.

I agree he has not been signed as a superstar and I’m still happy with his move to Manly, just don’t think he was good yesterday.

 

[Disco]

Where has 600k come from?

Why are people thinking he is on that much?

I have no idea but id imagine you could slice 100k off that

 

[Phobia]

Where has 600k come from?

Why are people thinking he is on that much?

I have no idea but id imagine you could slice 100k off that

Agreed, if Aloiai was on $500k, I can't tell why we would've been giving Hetherington $615k or whatever has been said on here.

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

Yeah I hate how media pundits still quote Josh schusters so called 800k deal which by Josh’s own admission is not the case it was around likely closer to the 650k mark. So much BS with these estimates

 

[susan]

I watched him closely , he had one bad miss , which did lead to a try , otherwise he went pretty well.

So I think the “ poor in defence “ is better put “ one very bad defensive lapse”.

He had 4 missed tackles , but that was pretty average for all their forwards 3-5 being the average.

He was never signed as a superstar

Dead right Mark. When he first came on he got them going forward after Hunt was playing like the sideline was the try line.

Couple of errors in defence . It happens in fast high quality games. Yet dozens seem to think Burbot is the answer while his error count is astronomically high across an entire season, albeit in a different position.

If Kobe and Navale don't play a bigger role at 13 than Jake next year then you do know that Seibold can't coach. Take away the memories and I don't think Jake makes our top 17 and I've been one of his greatest fans, particularly if we play a second hooker off the bench which seems likely .

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Dead right Mark. When he first came on he got them going forward after Hunt was playing like the sideline was the try line.

Couple of errors in defence . It happens in fast high quality games. Yet dozens seem to think Burbot is the answer while his error count is astronomically high across an entire season, albeit in a different position.

If Kobe and Navale don't play a bigger role at 13 than Jake next year then you do know that Seibold can't coach. Take away the memories and I don't think he makes our top 17 and I've been one of his greatest fans.

I thought he was going well, and you are right about Navale , I thought he did really well in the limited minutes he played.

Jake’s lost it at 13.

Needs to be prop only

 

[susan]

I thought he was going well, and you are right about Navale , I thought he did really well in the limited minutes he played.

Jake’s lost it at 13.

Needs to be prop only

Genuine question and we all love Jake.
Does Jake make the prop rotation if he's not used at 13 which surly he won't.

I've got TKO Paseka Bull and even Lodge in front of him and maybe Bryant if the wraps are right.He makes virtually no hit ups and has zero post contact metres usually and is a lightning rod for cheap penalties. You just can't have that in the new fast modern game.

So Siebold IMO will play him at 13 for 60 minutes because he won't make the tough call - and that ****s the entire balance of the pack immediately. We are toast if he does that.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Genuine question and we all love Jake.
Does Jake make the prop rotation if he's not used at 13 which surly he won't.

I've got TKO Paseka Bull and even Lodge in front of him and maybe Bryant if the wraps are right.He makes virtually no hit ups and has zero post contact metres usually and is a lightning rod for cheap penalties. You just can't have that in the new fast modern game.

So Siebold IMO will play him at 13 for 60 minutes because he won't make the tough call - and that ****s the entire balance of the pack immediately. We are toast if he does that.

That’s a worry , surely Jake knows himself

 

[Seagles68]

I thought he was going well, and you are right about Navale , I thought he did really well in the limited minutes he played.

Jake’s lost it at 13.

Needs to be prop only

Surely Navale starts 13 next year. He's ready.

 

[susan]

That’s a worry , surely Jake knows himself

There is no way he could play prop in front of TKO Paseka and Bull- zero chance if they fair dinkum.

Paseka 9 TKO
Burbo Ola
Navale

Bull, Lodge ,Heathrington , utility or second 9.

Has to be pack IMO and if we did get top line second rower by some miracle no way Jake plays. 900 k nightmare scenario for 2026 really.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

There is no way he could play prop in front of TKO Paseka and Bull- zero chance if they fair dinkum.

Paseka 9 TKO
Burbo Ola
Navale

Bull, Lodge ,Heathrington , utility or second 9.

Has to be pack IMO and if we did get top line second rower by some miracle no way Jake plays. 900 k nightmare scenario for 2026 really.

Ouch !!!

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Surely Navale starts 13 next year. He's ready.

Agree

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Fogerty offers a fresh start. Not sure he needs ti be better rather than different

Our style, our approach that we gave too many opportunities, was not working. Fogerty is a better change than more fudging . We have to grow up and play big boy footy now, the grind , and having someone who knows the journey is better than handing it to youth or brooksy alone

DCE is not a bad footy player, but as captain, halfback, most capped and leader his influence just didnt cut the mustard on so many levels

DCE may very well add extra to an established system, a well built squad , and for cheap enough dollars, but you can not build a team around the enigma. 8 year security had given the club little leverage other than to accept the situation

But to change Manly we needed another 7, a newcaptain, a new voice and a new navigator , and no one had the balls to make him 14, so here we are, and i welcome the fog, a new approach, a different dynamic around the ball, and jakey at press conferences

Reynolds cronks, clearys , hughes
Teams with managers win GF
Teams with game managers feature

Get close and add flair is better than flair or nothing

I think the fresh start begins when Fogarty imparts enough knowledge for Large and Walsh to be the next long term halves pairing. I think its more of a transition period from next year until he finishes up here. It would be great if Fogarty can help get us to the finals, but Im not expecting him to do too much.

 

[XV-1]

I think the fresh start begins when Fogarty imparts enough knowledge for Large and Walsh to be the next long term halves pairing. I think its more of a transition period from next year until he finishes up here. It would be great if Fogarty can help get us to the finals, but Im not expecting him to do too much.

As if Walsh is going to hang around for 3 long years.

Another knee jerk signing that may backfire, or probably cost a lot of $$ trying to get rid of Fogarty.
We have seen how Fogarty chokes in the past month under pressure.
He will be 32 at the end of this year. He ain't fast and will only get slower and if he can't handle pressure at age 32, is he ever going to?

Meanwhile, Ricky is happy as Larry with 2 young guns for next year.

 

[susan]

I think the fresh start begins when Fogarty imparts enough knowledge for Large and Walsh to be the next long term halves pairing. I think its more of a transition period from next year until he finishes up here. It would be great if Fogarty can help get us to the finals, but Im not expecting him to do too much.

I am expecting him to do a lot. Our right side in particular has been crying out for some simple traditional half play rather than the crabbing individual mish mash of the last decade.

He is the halfback and conductor of the minor premiers who were touted by many for the spoon ffs.
Meanwhile DCE guided us to our usual 9th spot.

Icing field goals means little . Only reason DCE iced so many is because he had to as he rarely closed out a tight game. Plenty of elite 6s and 7s have barely kicked one - Munster a good example.

Plus he's a great bloke with a ton of character who is respected across the league . He'll go good and we will finally see these great backs shine regularly.

Having said all that we only make the 8 if we have some real luck with injuries in the forwards.Our best are ok but it slips away quickly.

 

[bob dylan]

Genuine question and we all love Jake.
Does Jake make the prop rotation if he's not used at 13 which surly he won't.

Jakes defence this year was a career high.

Absolutely crunching, Randall like in almost every game from Origin time onwards.

I dont care if he wears No 167, he is starter if fit.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

As if Walsh is going to hang around for 3 long years.

Another knee jerk signing that may backfire, or probably cost a lot of $$ trying to get rid of Fogarty.
We have seen how Fogarty chokes in the past month under pressure.
He will be 32 at the end of this year. He ain't fast and will only get slower and if he can't handle pressure at age 32, is he ever going to?

Meanwhile, Ricky is happy as Larry with 2 young guns for next year.

I don't think we are in a premiership window, so its about development of the young guys now.
If anything there's less pressure on Fogarty. Avoiding the spoon is the priority as well as developing the young guys.. We have lost the mainstay halfback for the last 15 years. Can't expect miracles straight away.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

I am expecting him to do a lot. Our right side in particular has been crying out for some simple traditional half play rather than the crabbing individual mish mash of the last decade.

He is the halfback and conductor of the minor premiers who were touted by many for the spoon ffs.
Meanwhile DCE guided us to our usual 9th spot.

Icing field goals means little . Only reason DCE iced so many is because he had to as he rarely closed out a tight game. Plenty of elite 6s and 7s have barely kicked one - Munster a good example.

Plus he's a great bloke with a ton of character who is respected across the league . He'll go good and we will finally see these great backs shine regularly.

Having said all that we only make the 8 if we have some real luck with injuries in the forwards.Our best are ok but it slips away quickly.

I agree with what you say. He's a team first sort of guy. We have missed that leadership since Orford and Lyon left.

 

[Jimmie]

Jakes defence this year was a career high.

Absolutely crunching, Randall like in almost every game from Origin time onwards.

I dont care if he wears No 167, he is starter if fit.

Spot on …defence wins matches…start Jake to soften them up