Knights Unending Salary Cap

[Stuey Davis’s Socks]

I like this little feature on their website

https://www.newcastleknights.com.au...acker-are-knights-chasing-golden-boot-winner/

Lists all their signings and contract lengths. That's a great way of keeping fans informed

Your thread does a better job C&C

 

[Spartan Eagle]

I was just reading through Wikipedia on the historical breaches of salary cap. There are clubs out there who are serial offenders yet we got persecuted in the press for our first ever breach..... it's absolutely ****ing astonishing .

See below

The breaches of the salary cap and salary floor regulations outlined by the NRL are exceeding the salary cap, falling below the salary floor, not informing the NRL of payments, late or incorrect lodgement or loss of documents relating to player financial and contract details or engaging in contract tampering. Trading cash for players is also prohibited to prevent wealthier clubs from evading the salary cap and salary floor regulations.

Penalties for players, club officials and agents include fines of one and a half times the amount involved (until 2010, lesser of 10% of the amount involved or $100,000) and/or suspension. Penalties for clubs include fines of up to triple the amount involved (until 2010, the lesser of half the amount involved or $500,000), fines of $10,000 (until 2010, $2,500) for each document that is late or incorrectly lodged or lost, and/or deduction of premiership points. These penalties were increased after the Melbourne Storm salary cap scandal in 2010.

The following breaches of the salary cap and salary floor have occurred:[10]

• In 1991 it was revealed that the Canberra Raiders had substantially breached their $1.5 million salary cap for the year.[11]
• In 2000, the Newcastle Knights were fined $158,800 but did not have any points deducted after club officials revealed that they had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $454,100 and failed to disclose third-party payments during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
• The New Zealand Warriors were fined $100,000 in 2000 for failing to disclose third-party payments made during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
• Six other clubs were fined in 2000: Penrith ($80,900), Canterbury ($50,000), Parramatta ($40,000), Melbourne ($24,300), the Sydney Roosters ($12,800) and Cronulla ($6,900).
• The Melbourne Storm were fined $89,900 in 2000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $177,400 during the season.
• The Brisbane Broncos were fined $84,150 in 2000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $118,300 and were late in lodging documents relating to financial and contract details of 10 players during the season.
• In 2001, the North Queensland Cowboyswere fined $100,000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $210,000 and failed to disclose third-party payments during the 2000 season.
• In 2002, the Canterbury Bulldogs were fined the maximum of $500,000 and deducted all 37 premiership points received during the season after it was found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations described by NRL Chief Executive David Gallop as "exceptional in both its size and its deliberate and ongoing nature" totaling $2.13 million between 2000 and 2002, including $750,000 in 2001 and $920,000 in 2002. The points penalty meant that the club won the 2002 wooden spoon.
• The Sydney Roosters were fined $149,150 in 2002 for failing to disclose or incorrect disclosure of third-party payments made during the 2001 and 2002 seasons.
• The Newcastle Knights were fined $85,000 in 2002 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $170,000 during the season.
• Three other clubs were fined in 2002: Melbourne ($66,700), the Wests Tigers ($58,550) and Brisbane ($57,550).
• In 2003, the Melbourne Storm were fined $130,950 but did not have any points deducted it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $25,000 during the season.
• Seven other clubs were fined in 2003 after a crackdown in light of the Canterbury scandal the year before: Penrith ($60,000), Newcastle ($40,000), Brisbane ($20,000), South Sydney ($15,250), the New Zealand Warriors ($15,000), and Cronulla and Canterbury ($10,000 each).
• In 2004, the Melbourne Storm were fined $120,000 after club officials revealed that their former management had failed to disclose third-party payments made between 2001 and 2004.
• In 2004, the Canterbury Bulldogs were fined $82,300 but did not have any points deducted after club officials revealed that they had fallen below the salary floor by $159,600 and were late in lodging documents relating to financial and contract details of a player during the 2003 and 2004 seasons.
• Four other clubs were fined in 2004: St George Illawarra ($32,300), Penrith and the Sydney Roosters ($25,000 each), and Canberra ($5,000).
• In 2005, the New Zealand Warriors were fined $430,000 and were ordered to start the 2006 season with a four premiership point deficit and cut their payroll by $450,000 after club officials revealed that their former management had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $1.1 million during the 2004 and 2005 seasons. The points penalty meant that the Warriors missed a finals berth in 2006.
• Four other clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2005: St George Illawarra ($20,000), Newcastle ($11,100), Canterbury ($8,500) and Canberra ($6,350).
• In 2006, the Canberra Raiders were fined $173,200 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $286,400 and incorrectly lodged documents relating to financial and contract details of 12 players during the 2005 season.
• Seven other clubs were fined in 2006: Melbourne ($63,250), St George Illawarra ($62,400), Brisbane ($30,000), South Sydney ($28,600), Wests Tigers ($21,250), Newcastle ($19,250), and Cronulla ($5,000).
• Six clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2007: South Sydney ($70,150), Wests Tigers ($46,800), Canberra ($45,800), Canterbury ($25,000), Melbourne ($13,900) and Brisbane ($10,000).[12]
• Five clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2008: St George Illawarra ($15,200), South Sydney ($12,500), Gold Coast ($5,450), Canterbury ($4,650) and Wests Tigers ($3,650).
• Seven clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2009: Melbourne ($15,000), Brisbane ($5,000), Canterbury ($3,750), and the Wests Tigers, Penrith, Sydney and the Gold Coast ($2,500 each).
• In 2010, the Melbourne Storm were strippedof the 2007 and 2009 premierships, 2006–2008 minor premierships and the 2010 World Club Challenge trophy, fined a record $1.689 million ($1.1 million in NRL prize money which will be equally distributed between the remaining 15 clubs, $89,000 in prize money from the World Club Challengewhich will be distributed to the Leeds Rhinos, and the maximum of $500,000 for breaching the salary cap regulations), ordered to cut their payroll by $1.0125 million, deducted all eight premiership points received during the season and barred from receiving premiership points for the remainder of the season after Storm officials revealed that the club had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations between 2006 and 2010 by running a well-organized dual contract and bookkeeping system that concealed a total of $3.78 million in payments made to players outside of the salary cap from the NRL, including $303,000 in 2006, $459,000 in 2007, $957,000 in 2008, $1.021 million in 2009 and $1.04 million in 2010. The points penalty meant that the club won the 2010 wooden spoon. Legal action by the former directors of the club against the penalties collapsed, and the matter was referred to ASIC, the Australian Tax Office, the Victorian State Revenue Office, and the Victoria Police.[13] The club's former CEO, Brian Waldron, and financial officers Matt Hanson, Paul Gregory and Cameron Vale were all suspended for life.
• Five other clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2010: Parramatta ($25,000), St George Illawarra ($22,500), Brisbane ($17,000), Sydney ($7,250) and Canberra ($1,800).[14]
• In 2011, the Wests Tigers were fined $187,150 but had no points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $374,300 during the 2010 season.
• The Gold Coast Titans ($78,900), Parramatta Eels ($45,000), Canberra Raiders ($31,650), and the St George Illawarra Dragons ($15,700) were also fined for exceeding the salary cap during the 2010 season, while the Titans were also fined for losing documents relating to the financial and contract details of a Toyota Cup player.[15]
• In 2012, four clubs were fined for minor breaches: Parramatta Eels ($80,350), Gold Coast Titans ($41,200), Penrith Panthers ($39,650) and the Canberra Raiders ($5,350).[16]
• After the 2014 season had ended, St George Illawarra Dragons were fined AU$87,000, also the Gold Coast Titans were fined AU$300,000 after an investigation into several clubs.
• In 2015, Parramatta were fined a total of $465,000 for breaching the salary cap in the 2014 season.[17]
• In 2017, Canterbury was fined $61,474 after it was found they had breached the salary cap by $81,965 during the 2016 season. Canberra were fined a total of $84,110. $16,037 of that was for breaches of the second-tier and NYC caps from the 2016 season in addition to a $68,073 fine for breaches of the 2015 NRL and NYC caps.[18]
• In December 2017, Manly-Warringah were alleged to have breached the cap, after an investigation by the NRL found discrepancies in their salary cap over a five year period since 2012.

 

[Shoe1]

They want to put Mann at hooker! Crazy.

 

[Shoe1]

Well guess that shows how with the times I am.

Suppose it's Newy's turn for a "fairytale" premiership win then.

They already had one, maybe 2.

 

[Chip and Chase]

He was there last year as well. Very injury prone.

He was at Broncos last season (2017) and had a pretty good year for them too. But he is on his 4th knee reco now, so bit of a risk.

 

[MadMarcus]

They want to put Mann at hooker! Crazy.

There’s nothing worse than a hooker who turns out to be a Mann

 

[ricardo]

Ponga is on less money than Turbo.
Pearce is on less money than DCE.
Klemmer and Taupau probably equal.
They'd have 3 centres for the price we pay Walker.
Throw in Thommo and Jurbo and our side has massive coin tied up in a smaller number of stars.

NRL turning a blind eye...? Nah. Just the Knights spending their cap more evenly than than we have.

This is exactly what I was thinking ... our top guys basically make it difficult for us to buy quality next level down guys. Brown doing well putting this team together.

 

[NYEagle]

I hate drugcastle as much as anyone on here but geez surely they have done their time with 3 wooden spoons in a row and a non top 8 finish last year.

They have an incredible fan base too.

Can we please let them miss the 8 with a good roster?

NYEagle

 

[Supreme Leader]

Ponga is on less money than Turbo.
Pearce is on less money than DCE.
Klemmer and Taupau probably equal.
They'd have 3 centres for the price we pay Walker.
Throw in Thommo and Jurbo and our side has massive coin tied up in a smaller number of stars.

NRL turning a blind eye...? Nah. Just the Knights spending their cap more evenly than than we have.

The mail I got over the weekend was because they couldn't attract that many good players last 2 - 3 seasons they front ended a few contracts under the salary cap. How refreshing?

 

[Ranga]

The mail I got over the weekend was because they couldn't attract that many good players last 2 - 3 seasons they front ended a few contracts under the salary cap. How refreshing?

Makes sense and I think they have publicly said that as well. jarred mullen getting boned for testing positive to banned drugs while on a hefty contract (and always injured) certainly helped their cause.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

There’s nothing worse than a hooker who turns out to be a Mann

Speaking from experience?

 

[robbiea]

He was at Broncos last season (2017) and had a pretty good year for them too. But he is on his 4th knee reco now, so bit of a risk.

Has definitely already had a year with the Knights (2018)

 

[BOZO]

All the Knights need is the last piece of the puzzle and that is to to sign the ex international and experienced Lewis Brown and they are a big finals chance .
Lewis Brown would be absolutely dynamic coming off the bench as he has proven to cover comprehensively for the backs and the forwards . Brown can play anywhere and is capable of anything on the field . Brown was an integral part of the Inspirational Trent Barrett era at Manly .
Brown had 3 influential years with the Sea eagles and I dont think our club will ever recover .
I was one of his biggest critics but Brown certainly made me eat humble pie with his legendary perfomances on the field for the mighty Sea eagles .

 

[maxta]

The mail I got over the weekend was because they couldn't attract that many good players last 2 - 3 seasons they front ended a few contracts under the salary cap. How refreshing?

Keep in mind that the 7-8 players also got hefty overs to sign on from successful teams like Roosters/Brisbane, to a side that was a cellar dweller.

 

[Kevinward777]

I was just reading through Wikipedia on the historical breaches of salary cap. There are clubs out there who are serial offenders yet we got persecuted in the press for our first ever breach..... it's absolutely ****ing astonishing .

See below

The breaches of the salary cap and salary floor regulations outlined by the NRL are exceeding the salary cap, falling below the salary floor, not informing the NRL of payments, late or incorrect lodgement or loss of documents relating to player financial and contract details or engaging in contract tampering. Trading cash for players is also prohibited to prevent wealthier clubs from evading the salary cap and salary floor regulations.

Penalties for players, club officials and agents include fines of one and a half times the amount involved (until 2010, lesser of 10% of the amount involved or $100,000) and/or suspension. Penalties for clubs include fines of up to triple the amount involved (until 2010, the lesser of half the amount involved or $500,000), fines of $10,000 (until 2010, $2,500) for each document that is late or incorrectly lodged or lost, and/or deduction of premiership points. These penalties were increased after the Melbourne Storm salary cap scandal in 2010.

The following breaches of the salary cap and salary floor have occurred:[10]

• In 1991 it was revealed that the Canberra Raiders had substantially breached their $1.5 million salary cap for the year.[11]
• In 2000, the Newcastle Knights were fined $158,800 but did not have any points deducted after club officials revealed that they had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $454,100 and failed to disclose third-party payments during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
• The New Zealand Warriors were fined $100,000 in 2000 for failing to disclose third-party payments made during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
• Six other clubs were fined in 2000: Penrith ($80,900), Canterbury ($50,000), Parramatta ($40,000), Melbourne ($24,300), the Sydney Roosters ($12,800) and Cronulla ($6,900).
• The Melbourne Storm were fined $89,900 in 2000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $177,400 during the season.
• The Brisbane Broncos were fined $84,150 in 2000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $118,300 and were late in lodging documents relating to financial and contract details of 10 players during the season.
• In 2001, the North Queensland Cowboyswere fined $100,000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $210,000 and failed to disclose third-party payments during the 2000 season.
• In 2002, the Canterbury Bulldogs were fined the maximum of $500,000 and deducted all 37 premiership points received during the season after it was found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations described by NRL Chief Executive David Gallop as "exceptional in both its size and its deliberate and ongoing nature" totaling $2.13 million between 2000 and 2002, including $750,000 in 2001 and $920,000 in 2002. The points penalty meant that the club won the 2002 wooden spoon.
• The Sydney Roosters were fined $149,150 in 2002 for failing to disclose or incorrect disclosure of third-party payments made during the 2001 and 2002 seasons.
• The Newcastle Knights were fined $85,000 in 2002 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $170,000 during the season.
• Three other clubs were fined in 2002: Melbourne ($66,700), the Wests Tigers ($58,550) and Brisbane ($57,550).
• In 2003, the Melbourne Storm were fined $130,950 but did not have any points deducted it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $25,000 during the season.
• Seven other clubs were fined in 2003 after a crackdown in light of the Canterbury scandal the year before: Penrith ($60,000), Newcastle ($40,000), Brisbane ($20,000), South Sydney ($15,250), the New Zealand Warriors ($15,000), and Cronulla and Canterbury ($10,000 each).
• In 2004, the Melbourne Storm were fined $120,000 after club officials revealed that their former management had failed to disclose third-party payments made between 2001 and 2004.
• In 2004, the Canterbury Bulldogs were fined $82,300 but did not have any points deducted after club officials revealed that they had fallen below the salary floor by $159,600 and were late in lodging documents relating to financial and contract details of a player during the 2003 and 2004 seasons.
• Four other clubs were fined in 2004: St George Illawarra ($32,300), Penrith and the Sydney Roosters ($25,000 each), and Canberra ($5,000).
• In 2005, the New Zealand Warriors were fined $430,000 and were ordered to start the 2006 season with a four premiership point deficit and cut their payroll by $450,000 after club officials revealed that their former management had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $1.1 million during the 2004 and 2005 seasons. The points penalty meant that the Warriors missed a finals berth in 2006.
• Four other clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2005: St George Illawarra ($20,000), Newcastle ($11,100), Canterbury ($8,500) and Canberra ($6,350).
• In 2006, the Canberra Raiders were fined $173,200 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $286,400 and incorrectly lodged documents relating to financial and contract details of 12 players during the 2005 season.
• Seven other clubs were fined in 2006: Melbourne ($63,250), St George Illawarra ($62,400), Brisbane ($30,000), South Sydney ($28,600), Wests Tigers ($21,250), Newcastle ($19,250), and Cronulla ($5,000).
• Six clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2007: South Sydney ($70,150), Wests Tigers ($46,800), Canberra ($45,800), Canterbury ($25,000), Melbourne ($13,900) and Brisbane ($10,000).[12]
• Five clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2008: St George Illawarra ($15,200), South Sydney ($12,500), Gold Coast ($5,450), Canterbury ($4,650) and Wests Tigers ($3,650).
• Seven clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2009: Melbourne ($15,000), Brisbane ($5,000), Canterbury ($3,750), and the Wests Tigers, Penrith, Sydney and the Gold Coast ($2,500 each).
• In 2010, the Melbourne Storm were strippedof the 2007 and 2009 premierships, 2006–2008 minor premierships and the 2010 World Club Challenge trophy, fined a record $1.689 million ($1.1 million in NRL prize money which will be equally distributed between the remaining 15 clubs, $89,000 in prize money from the World Club Challengewhich will be distributed to the Leeds Rhinos, and the maximum of $500,000 for breaching the salary cap regulations), ordered to cut their payroll by $1.0125 million, deducted all eight premiership points received during the season and barred from receiving premiership points for the remainder of the season after Storm officials revealed that the club had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations between 2006 and 2010 by running a well-organized dual contract and bookkeeping system that concealed a total of $3.78 million in payments made to players outside of the salary cap from the NRL, including $303,000 in 2006, $459,000 in 2007, $957,000 in 2008, $1.021 million in 2009 and $1.04 million in 2010. The points penalty meant that the club won the 2010 wooden spoon. Legal action by the former directors of the club against the penalties collapsed, and the matter was referred to ASIC, the Australian Tax Office, the Victorian State Revenue Office, and the Victoria Police.[13] The club's former CEO, Brian Waldron, and financial officers Matt Hanson, Paul Gregory and Cameron Vale were all suspended for life.
• Five other clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2010: Parramatta ($25,000), St George Illawarra ($22,500), Brisbane ($17,000), Sydney ($7,250) and Canberra ($1,800).[14]
• In 2011, the Wests Tigers were fined $187,150 but had no points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $374,300 during the 2010 season.
• The Gold Coast Titans ($78,900), Parramatta Eels ($45,000), Canberra Raiders ($31,650), and the St George Illawarra Dragons ($15,700) were also fined for exceeding the salary cap during the 2010 season, while the Titans were also fined for losing documents relating to the financial and contract details of a Toyota Cup player.[15]
• In 2012, four clubs were fined for minor breaches: Parramatta Eels ($80,350), Gold Coast Titans ($41,200), Penrith Panthers ($39,650) and the Canberra Raiders ($5,350).[16]
• After the 2014 season had ended, St George Illawarra Dragons were fined AU$87,000, also the Gold Coast Titans were fined AU$300,000 after an investigation into several clubs.
• In 2015, Parramatta were fined a total of $465,000 for breaching the salary cap in the 2014 season.[17]
• In 2017, Canterbury was fined $61,474 after it was found they had breached the salary cap by $81,965 during the 2016 season. Canberra were fined a total of $84,110. $16,037 of that was for breaches of the second-tier and NYC caps from the 2016 season in addition to a $68,073 fine for breaches of the 2015 NRL and NYC caps.[18]
• In December 2017, Manly-Warringah were alleged to have breached the cap, after an investigation by the NRL found discrepancies in their salary cap over a five year period since 2012.

That’s crazy.

 

[Kevinward777]

Keep in mind that the 7-8 players also got hefty overs to sign on from successful teams like Roosters/Brisbane, to a side that was a cellar dweller.

And Flanagan wanted to “build the club around Ramien” but they just couldn’t match the money that Newcastle offered.

 

[Ryan]

Not sure where they squish everyone in to be honest. They may have a $330k - $360k guy like Moga in Reggies.

01. Kalyn Ponga
02. Shaun Kenny-Dowall
03. Jesse Ramian / Hymel Hunt
04. Kurt Mann / Tautau Moga
05. Nathan Ross / Edrick Lee
06. Connor Watson / Mason Lino
07. Mitchell Pearce
08. Tim Glasby
09. Danny Levi / Slade Griffin / Zac Woolford
10. David Klemmer
11. Aiden Guerra
12. Sione Mata'utia
13. Lachlan Fitzgibbon

14. Jamie Buhrer / Brodie Jones
15. James Gavet
16. Daniel Saifiti / Josh King
17. Jacob Saifiti / Mitchell Barnett

They are suggesting Mann to Hooker, so Moga gets his spot.

 

[Fluffy]

A lot of front ended contracts

 

[Stuey Davis’s Socks]

Anyone know if front-ended contracts are being banned along with backed-ended contracts?

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Not a bad side that but funny not a lot of Newcastle juniors!!

Drugcastle, the new Rorters!!