I get that and can't argue, but what a hard nosed brute he was....personally would love a bloke with his ability to join our 2023 pack.....opposition would suddenly fear us just a little like the good old days !!
Just a thought on NEW signings.....
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Man, I want nothing more (well, maybe more) than to see Oka running full tilt on to the ball instead of the flat footed big palm thing he got in the habit of doing. A full steam Paseka, Keppie and Sipley can set the next runner up for sure. But can they do it?? Can they raise their game with Aloiai and possibly Bullemore?? We wait and see.
Thanks for sharing your point of view feathered friend as this is what makes our forum interesting
To win a game you need to get on top of your opponent both physically and psychologically
and nothing is more powerful than getting on top of your opponent by scarring them psychologically and putting them off their game . And once your off your game its game all over for you
This is made possible by the means of intimidation and by Intimidating players and not by Nice guy players like Jake that bring their table manner on the field .
Our Image is who we have established our selves to be
We need to over come the flat track bullies pack image that we have established by changing our passive aggressive attitude
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Your namesake was a big believer in winning the psychological battle.
Glad to see we have a psych coach this year. We need it.
So weak minded. They must hate the grind. Our team dead set losses far too many games between the ears.
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Our mind is more powerful than our biceps feathered friend
Win the mind battle and we bury the body
This is what we need to do to the Panthers at 4 pines park this season
We need to bury them there
You're absolutely right that you rarely win games if your forward pack does not get on top of the opposition. And we certainly need to regain some respect. All I was saying about Jake, is that I don't think he's quite the Mr Nice guy that is portrayed. I think he hits just as hard as most forwards in defence and whilst he doesn't have an intimidation factor necessarily, I'm ok with that. I look forward to others I mentioned for that. Jake inspires by giving everything he's got and leaving it on the park, not by pulling of the Spud and Harrigan type hits. I just feel we diminish Jake by always saying he's too nice. That's all.
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Jake needs to stop bringing his etiquette table manners on the field
No one can be intimidating by being Nice
He needs to change his Mr Nice guy Image and attitude
Thats all 🙂
I'm still not getting what you mean by his etiquette table manners. Can you give me an example of what he does consistently on the field that makes you think this. I get that he's not the intimidator type and I agree with you that we need that in the pack. I just don't think that's who Jake is. His game is full of passion (I think you would agree??) and he inspires with his defence and I hope Seibold can get him out of the robot mode he fell into with Des. I just don't think trying to turn Jake into someone that just isn't him, is what we need. We need to channel those forwards that DO have that in them - Keppie, Sipley, Aloiai etc.
You aren't allowed to punch these days so intimidation is slightly different. A nasty glare works for some, especially if cross-eyed. We could probably get someone to come and do the players eyebrows, can make a real difference to how you are perceived.
Works for me! Eeesh!!
Psychology has many levels Bozo. When Jake snaps someone in half and apologises it probably rattles them more than if he was an ass hole about it.
Brookie Bob
"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
That's the psychology I'd be using on Aloiai; if Aloiai is seen / likes to be seen as a leader in any way (even an ethics thought leader, which he no doubt does - nothing wrong in that - I'd use it to team advantage), then it's his opportunity to put up or shut up.
Leadership = responsibility (amongst other things - I have a Masters degree in it, so I have an inkling). If someone is willing to take public ownership of their actions from last year's "7" incident (which he has - whether you or I or anybody agrees with what he said), then, in my mind, this person can have a positive influence with the playing group.
It's not Aloiai's seniority comparable to Paseka that would persuade me to get him (Aloiai) to show a way forward for (particularly Pasifika) Manly's pack this year; it's his history of putting his head 'above the parapet' on things. That 'internal stubbornness' - or backbone, if you prefer - could be used to craft a real forward leader - hopefully Jim Dymock (who has been brought on board for this) can help Aloiai become this.
Brookie Bob
"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
Just an additional thought on our forwards: I don't care if they don't come out pumped up like demons, like the Wests players after a Roy Masters face-slapping session. In fact, I'd prefer it if they didn't.
Those sort of trash-talking football gangsters attract referee attention like flies to a piggery. Referees are (newsflash) human; they do have bias, and keep a keen eye out for players that they feel 'sail close to the wind' - reffs are paid to do this. Our players can't help us if they get suspended for behaving like Al Pacino in Scarface. This sort of stuff usually just pumps up the opposition as well.
The remedy - just be the 'smiling assassins'. Let your defense (and attack) speak for themselves. Matai and Tafua (and Randall) didn't need to trash talk anyone after they hit them - their defense said far more than words could. Most teams mentally disintegrate when they collectively believe they can't win - getting the wind knocked out of you legitimately / repeatedly is one of the best ways you can do that.
PS - what Jake says to his teammates gathered behind the tryline will tell you that he's not on the field to be nice. He's only nice to interviewers - cause he wants more kids watching to play for Manly like he does.
Those sort of trash-talking football gangsters attract referee attention like flies to a piggery. Referees are (newsflash) human; they do have bias, and keep a keen eye out for players that they feel 'sail close to the wind' - reffs are paid to do this. Our players can't help us if they get suspended for behaving like Al Pacino in Scarface. This sort of stuff usually just pumps up the opposition as well.
The remedy - just be the 'smiling assassins'. Let your defense (and attack) speak for themselves. Matai and Tafua (and Randall) didn't need to trash talk anyone after they hit them - their defense said far more than words could. Most teams mentally disintegrate when they collectively believe they can't win - getting the wind knocked out of you legitimately / repeatedly is one of the best ways you can do that.
PS - what Jake says to his teammates gathered behind the tryline will tell you that he's not on the field to be nice. He's only nice to interviewers - cause he wants more kids watching to play for Manly like he does.
Dont necessarily disagree on any of that but leading and mentoring are different things.
Aloiai can certainly be the leader of the pack but don't think having him as a specific mentor for Paseka is the right move.
Brookie Bob
"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
A mentor is a situational / personal leader.
I can see how it might work on a couple of specific (or should that be Pacific) players but my concern is that he just hasn't demonstrated any ability to bring a pack together. We need a homogenous pack and I'm not convinced the other players see him as the bloke to lead them. I still have Tom getting stuck into Paseka in the memory bank and how Paseka reacted to that. I'm not sure Aloiai has earned the right to get into someone like that, if and when the time is needed. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh.
Brookie Bob
"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
Perhaps it was because Marty T was still there. There's an opportunity that may have (even informally) been thought of as 'Tapau's role'.
Also - perhaps Aloiai needs to be formally tasked with it - 'this is part of your job now'. Might be the making of him.
I just can't see any aggression coming from the very Reverend Josh A or gentle giant Taniela.
T Sipps and Keppie maybe. We need a grub in there to stir them up.
The fact is Jake is not the sarcastic type of character at any level on the field
Every Mother that watches footy can see that
No one intimidates any one by apologising and being nice and that is not a probably it is a certainty
Jake is not an ass hole on the field because Jake brings his table manners on the field and wears a Halo on the field
The fact is Our Flat track bullies pack needs a serious image change to be taken seriously
No Halo on 4 time premiership wining Manly Enforcer Terry Randall
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