John Hopoate Blocked By The NRL

[Bearfax]

The important issue here is due process in legal issues in a democratic society.

I'm not saying Hopoate is suitable or not suitable. I dont know. But he has the right to be assessed openly and fairly, not in the manner of a media based and public supported witch hunt circus.

Let the NRL show cause other than generalisations about past incidents and a media backed outcry. We should be opposing any attempted trial by media.

Certainly an appeal before an independent tribunal is warranted. Then if he's not suitable, we all then know why, rather than vague allegations of involvement with crime figures and incidents that occurred a long time ago.

I agree with SBW on this matter. The League is taking an unchallengeable autocratic stance, something contrary to the spirit of legal processes in this country. We should oppose such witch hunt judgements and deal with such issues dispassionately, openly and fairly.

 

[Rex]

And SBW was as reviled as Hoppa not that long ago by our witch-hunting media and NRL. Now he's reincarnated as the media's and the NRL's No 1 favourite pin-up boy.

It's as childishly simplistic as 1950s westerns where everyone must be unambiguously cast as good guys (white hats) or bad guys (black hats).

 

[SeaEagle21]

The important issue here is due process in legal issues in a democratic society.

I'm not saying Hopoate is suitable or not suitable. I dont know. But he has the right to be assessed openly and fairly, not in the manner of a media based and public supported witch hunt circus.

Let the NRL show cause other than generalisations about past incidents and a media backed outcry. We should be opposing any attempted trial by media.

Certainly an appeal before an independent tribunal is warranted. Then if he's not suitable, we all then know why, rather than vague allegations of involvement with crime figures and incidents that occurred a long time ago.

I agree with SBW on this matter. The League is taking an unchallengeable autocratic stance, something contrary to the spirit of legal processes in this country. We should oppose such witch hunt judgements and deal with such issues dispassionately, openly and fairly.

Agree 100%, i don't care either way if he is coach or not. It's the principle that there is no process in place to assess him on being a coach via a legal process as opposed to a letter from a detective who has an opinion. I actually want this to go to court so that both sides can present evidence for and against so we know what this is all based around. Hoppa is an easy target for the media and for obvious reasons. If he is found unsuitable for justifiable reasons then ban him, otherwise whatever you opinion of Hoppa he has rights to have a career as a coach if he is suitable regardless of past issues.

The NRL can issue multiple warnings to an NRL club within it's own competition systematically rorting the cap with empty threats whilst at the same time threaten a club with who they can and can't employ in a competition they don't run the same punishment. Not mention all the other convicted players who assulted women to still participate in the Women in League round etc.

As i said i don't care if Hoppa coaches the side or not but if the NRL can allow other personalities to get back into the game then the same should apply to coaching staff etc

 

[Rex]

Hoppa is allowed to coach the under 12s - which he is currently doing - but not the under 18s.

Geniuses in charge of the NRL.

 

[Frogz]

Just sort the farking thing out and get rid of the scrutiny of the club that is going with it.
He either can or he cant coach, it cant be so damn difficult.

 

[Rodo]

I heard him on the radio the other day saying he has no idea why he is not allowed into the Casino. He has been there only 4 times with his family for a birthday party and to eat at the all you can eat restaurant. And his only links to criminals are to people like Craig Field who have spent time in jail.

Here's the interview I mentioned yesterday where Hoppa spoke candidly about his supposed links to organised crime and not knowing why he cannot go to the casino:
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2016/02/23/07/32/hopoate-could-head-to-supreme-court
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2016/02/23/07/32/hopoate-could-head-to-supreme-court

 

[Rex]

Could Manly appoint some Joe as the figurehead "official" - and have Hoppa as a non-official ringin who does exactly what he does now?

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-eagles-vow-to-fight-nrl-20160223-gn1oe9.html

 

[Rex]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/emb...n/news-story/deae3821753359028fec66eff8c430e0

This has a similar stench to the Brett Stewart case. In that case Police in charge also jumped on a high profile target. To make a name for themselves? The NRL knee-jerked with a ridiculous and extreme response. To make themselves look good? And the jury dismissed the pitifully weak case in virtually record time.

Bring it all out in the open like Hoppa has asked.

 

[HappilyManly]

Just sort the farking thing out and get rid of the scrutiny of the club that is going with it.
He either can or he cant coach, it cant be so damn difficult.

Well we had SBW chip in his 2 cents worth today, so all we need for the trilogy is The Man Mundine to label it a racist act too

Get it sort it NRL!

 

[Fluffy]

Given the club cant afford 100K on Brookie there is no way it could afford to waste 10's of thousands fighting this in court surely.

 

[Frank]

I don't mind the NRL bashing - they deserve it. I can't help think that people are simply deflecting from the fact that Hoppa was appointed in the first place.

Apart from the bleeding obvious were there really no other better qualified candidates?

 

[Killer03]

I listened to the interview yesterday and thought the Talkin Sport guys tried to be quite fair and let Hopoate defend himself, but I thought he did himself no favours and got quite defensive a couple of times.

I will admit I am no Hopoate fan.

 

[Chip and Chase]

I don't mind the NRL bashing - they deserve it. I can't help think that people are simply deflecting from the fact that Hoppa was appointed in the first place.

Apart from the bleeding obvious were there really no other better qualified candidates?

I don't know for sure but I suspect his appointment was based on more than coaching qualifications.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

A history at Manly is relevant to coaching at Manly (though not essential)

 

[Rex]

Well we had SBW chip in his 2 cents worth today, so all we need for the trilogy is The Man Mundine to label it a racist act too

Get it sort it NRL!

I understand your deep and longstanding hatred of Hoppa. The game welcomes many wife bashers, drug abusers/dealers, criminals of many flavours. Hoppa is not even a criminal. He has paid his dues for his sins. And he's been retired for 11 years. When do you move on and let ancient, ancient history go?

 

[manlyfan76]

I don't know for sure but I suspect his appointment was based on more than coaching qualifications.

What must our previous U20's grand final coach be thinking? He was indirectly squeezed out to make room for Hoppa as all the other coaches have moved up one and he got the 20's to the GF and was moved on. Maybe we should beg him to coach the team.

 

[Frogz]

Now that Barrett has made peace at Manly, I wish he got everyone with the goat photos to shred them also.

 

[Bearfax]

Some here are probably unintentionally confusing the issue by asking why Hoppa was selected in the first place and what his predecessors who have been dumped to allow him to coach, think of this.

The issue is that he has Been selected by Manly to coach the SG Ball Cup team and its concerning his right to now perform those duties. Arguing about what others might have done is spurious...its been done.

Its like seeking to criticise Barrett because he now has Toovey's job and Toovey was given the boot. The decision to remove Toovey was a separate issue to Barrett's selection. If it hadnt been Barrett it would have been someone else.

Criticisng Hoppa for being selected ahead of others is entirely to do with the present administration/s decision making. Hoppa surely cant be criticised for that any more than Barrett should be criticised for Toovey's treatment.

 

[Woodsie]

No Comment < privately lmao >

Alright, sheeeessssh, if it makes you feel better, we are renowned for scandals & handling hot potatoes , too.

On a more positive note, this could be an excellent opportunity for Levick, William & John to share champagne toasted picnics, family bonding & camp-outs at the Supreme Court.

What i meant was how many other clubs would welcome close inspection of all their employees asst coaches etc right down to jnr reps. I would suggest a couple of colourful characters may be found.

 

[HappilyManly]

What i meant was how many other clubs would welcome close inspection of all their employees asst coaches etc right down to jnr reps. I would suggest a couple of colourful characters may be found.

Someone prominent 'resigned' just recently after an internal audit showed missing $$$.
Twitter has Journos sitting on an expose for now, but apparently it's a big name