I respect what you, Ryan and Mark of Brisbane are saying. I am operating from the likely scenario that all other options are either not available, not wanting to coach Manly at this stage or are on the nose with the Penn family. The cupboard seems bare unless a surprise emerges from the ashes. I am speaking from the point of view that Cartwright is coach. I am not suggesting he is the messiah or even a naughty little boy. He is probably average as far as coaching is concerned. If we had Hasler, Toovey or Madge I would probably be saying we are a final four chance. With Cartwright you have someone who has taken the Titans to near the top for two years with the right cattle. Manly has some fine cattle. I think he can at least get us a final 8 spot...probably no further. We may have to cope with mediocrity until some of the disasters of this club start to subside and it becomes a worth while place to play and coach again. And I actually suspect the Penn family is waiting for a big financial offer to move on, hoping to recover the fortune they have outlaid with this club.