If you are on the nose, the Gold Coast is definitely the place to be.
It was Des all along coaching thread
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If you are on the nose, the Gold Coast is definitely the place to be.
Moops
Bencher
Exactly, as I said, players come and go. DCE is playing a dangerous game of poker and, in the cold light of day, Manly are holding all the aces here. This would be my attitude if I was in charge, but we all know about our weak management at present. He is not going to get $1.3 million on the open market - he's nearly 30. Only the Roosters could afford him for this much, but they have Cronk for next year. Call his friggin bluff Manly!! Watmough et al were right all along about this bloke.
SeaEagle21
Bencher
I'm thinking that little snipet from @readingtheplay is just another joining the dots exercise to put more bashing onto the players. But having said that nothing would surprise me atm and players calling the shots on the coach? If that is true even in the slightest then we are an even bigger basket case that i thought (and I possibly couldn't think we could be much worse).
Players shouldn't be calling shots on who is there coach, that is above their pay grade, even DCE's
But on the issue of Cartwright, yes he may have been the assistant and the defensive coach but doesn't mean that TB has to take everything on board. Assistant coach can't call the plays over the Head Coach so who knows. The way the team plays currently is down to one man only and hopefully after this weekkend he will be gone.
Now if we were a proper organisation and if Cartwright is promoted then no doubt his contract will have to be changed. I would hope that if anything he has some strict KPI's that he must meet and that the 2 year duration is subject to annual reviews....
Not holding my breath on this one though
Players shouldn't be calling shots on who is there coach, that is above their pay grade, even DCE's
But on the issue of Cartwright, yes he may have been the assistant and the defensive coach but doesn't mean that TB has to take everything on board. Assistant coach can't call the plays over the Head Coach so who knows. The way the team plays currently is down to one man only and hopefully after this weekkend he will be gone.
Now if we were a proper organisation and if Cartwright is promoted then no doubt his contract will have to be changed. I would hope that if anything he has some strict KPI's that he must meet and that the 2 year duration is subject to annual reviews....
Not holding my breath on this one though
brad
First Grader
I know mate i know.
So, does Cartwrong get 3 years to prove he’s the Dud we all think he is OR if we are say 1/12 in May 2019 is a dead man walking already?
Moops
Bencher
Decent management can turn things around in 12 months. The Tigers were a basket case in early 2017 and have bounced back well. It all depends upon a club's management. Ours doesn't fill me with much confidence though. The club should view getting DCE off the books as an opportunity.
SeaEagle21
Bencher
Depends if he is appointed. I think for him to get the job he would have a very limited time to prove he is the right man to lead the club forward.
If he is appointed I'll support him because he is our coach and at the very least deserves a chance to show what he can bring to the job. But it won't be long before the pressure mounts on him to deliver.
hey now now then then now wait now now wait hold up now wait up how now brown cow.....
It's reading the play so lets not crucify another Manly player / official just yet or we'll really be perfecting the "divided we fall" part of the saying.
It's reading the play so lets not crucify another Manly player / official just yet or we'll really be perfecting the "divided we fall" part of the saying.
Moops
Bencher
Haha, that is true. But his name has been popping up for the last half a dozen years whenever there is drama at Manly, going back to the Stewarts/Watmough. Allegedly, he then caused strife for Toovey. I don't know, maybe I am adding 2 and 2 and getting 5???!!! Is it all just a media conspiracy against him?
HappilyManly
Journey Man
'DCE picks the coach' is just another attack on our player.
Last week the Media had the Turbos and Chez publically support Baz and Carty but Manly flicked Baz and now upgrade Carty
Chez would not get a 5 year deal to match his current contract, yet people believe that he would forfeit millions on a coach resigning
The Penn's renowned cost cutting style would have actioned the supposed DCE walkout threat quick smart in any case
It's going to be a very long 7 months of attacks on our Club till the 2019 Manly Team take the field
Last week the Media had the Turbos and Chez publically support Baz and Carty but Manly flicked Baz and now upgrade Carty
Chez would not get a 5 year deal to match his current contract, yet people believe that he would forfeit millions on a coach resigning
The Penn's renowned cost cutting style would have actioned the supposed DCE walkout threat quick smart in any case
It's going to be a very long 7 months of attacks on our Club till the 2019 Manly Team take the field
Certainly not my first choice as coach moving into 2019, if indeed he is handed the reins. But I'm not going to crucify him before he is even given the head coaching clip board.
It is a completely different role to the one he has had as assistant coach, everything falls back onto him now. He will have huge amounts of pressure on him given the majority of the fan base will not agree with his appointment. Pressure will also come from the fact that he will have a very good roster on paper at his disposal.
I know plenty on here have said this is the last straw and they won't be renewing membership etc, but if Cartwright does produce results in 2019 with this team will you maintain this stance?
It is a completely different role to the one he has had as assistant coach, everything falls back onto him now. He will have huge amounts of pressure on him given the majority of the fan base will not agree with his appointment. Pressure will also come from the fact that he will have a very good roster on paper at his disposal.
I know plenty on here have said this is the last straw and they won't be renewing membership etc, but if Cartwright does produce results in 2019 with this team will you maintain this stance?
Jigzkiller
Bencher
Can only speak for myself this is less to do with Cartwright (who has shown he is not up to it) and all to do with the Penns. Until they show they are serious about running the team (not into the ground) than they are not getting my cash.
Hasler (know a lot don't want him back and can understand ) Toovey,Maguire yet they pick Cartwright they can't be serious it is all about being cheap and agendas.
I am the believer of fair play
If Carty gets the head coach job he should have all our support until he loses it by losing games .
Unless our team become losers Carty has my support . It is all up to Carty
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Saying that I won't jump ship and stop supporting Manly regarding of the coach got me a dislike, disagree and a dummy spit? Can understand the dislike and the disagree, but a dummy spit for regardlessly continuing support? Really? Oh well. It's like that on here these days.🙂
I will always cheer for my team. Maroon and white DNA through good times and bad.
Go Manly!
Well said . Lets see what happens . Everything else is premature ejaculation
Bill Hamilton
Reserve Grader
I'll wait for an official announcement before I jump up and down, it's all speculation at the moment.
Reading the play is always ridiculed here for their crap rumours and when they come out against DCE, everyone believes them!
In saying that, I can see that would’ve been a problem. I didn’t think of the DCE/Henry tension from his backflip.
While I’d rather Henry (not in my first 5 or 6 choices mind you) Cartwright was probably a better fit for the club not only for DCE but for the other players they alluded to in his tweet. Maybe the Turbos?
One thing I feel is certain, if we have the same team as we do now (plus Elgey), we’ll finish higher than 2nd last next year so we can at least say we’ve improved.
Depending on the Taupau and Walker rumours. They’ll be a loss if they do go.
Nothing we can do now but support whoever we have and support our club.
The only way is up.
In saying that, I can see that would’ve been a problem. I didn’t think of the DCE/Henry tension from his backflip.
While I’d rather Henry (not in my first 5 or 6 choices mind you) Cartwright was probably a better fit for the club not only for DCE but for the other players they alluded to in his tweet. Maybe the Turbos?
One thing I feel is certain, if we have the same team as we do now (plus Elgey), we’ll finish higher than 2nd last next year so we can at least say we’ve improved.
Depending on the Taupau and Walker rumours. They’ll be a loss if they do go.
Nothing we can do now but support whoever we have and support our club.
The only way is up.
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