Is the game too fast?

[manly al]

Which is why the two conference idea would be great.

Top teams play each other , bottom teams play each other.

Bottom two of top drop out of finals and are in the bottom 8 the following year.

Top two of the bottom 8 go to the finals and are in the top 8 the following year.

The top 8 then play for the Premiership Trophy, the bottom 8 then play for the Premiership Cup.

Both finals played on GF Day.

Better more even games through the year , and most fans retain interest through the season and even into the finals.

Don 't think that it time to be considering those type of options just yet Mark . if there is a longer term trend of an unbalanced comp , fair enough but not in the current situation . Still so much fluctuation in many side "s year on year performance levels . Manly were close to a G F in 2019 , relatively poor since the mid point of last season but every reason to expect that could be reversed soon with the right circumstances . The NRL cap and TPA"s are not perfect[ and note Roosters , Storm and Broncs ] but has and still most likely will see a fair bit of team bench mark rating year in year out balancing out and could think of nothing worse then not seeing Manly competing at a higher level or being in a second rate comp when there is and like many other sides . , a couple of years of very average outcomes then immediate improvements . Look at the Titans . Also probably would make it harder to retain very promising juniors if they would be anticipating playing in a second tier and lesser rated comp .. if the Roosters suffer any more serious injuries , they could well finish in the bottom 8 this season , hardly would be realistic to have them in a bottom 8 comp in similar circumstances and in a following season .

 

[jbb/james]

The salary cap and poor roster management has been forcing too many good players overseas for too long. teams offer overs to attract a player and then dont want them in the 3rd year so they forced out to superleague as noone can afford the inflated price

Desperation has also inflated players worth which again dilutes talent.There are very few million dollar players delivering. If fact most players in the 800 and 900k bracket are worth anything close

But sports facts say this, fatigue causes injury.

The game speeding up is not for the fans its for tv. There response is to just add an 18th man which is completely ignoring the leagues duty of care. If this isnthe solution despite the statistics i sense major issues unfolding

It wont be long before players will realise its impacting not just there health but there livelihood. Before signing any player these days a concussion report should be required . If a player has had 3 or 4 head knocks in the last couple of years they should be given a wide berth or have added clauses due to the likelehood of medical retirement, enforced by the NRL

The game is at exact odds with itself. Duty of care v we dont care about anything but tv money. The game needs to not just be concerned with the players health but also the circumstances that cause them

Fatigue
Night games cause slippery surfaces . Many concussions are caused by slipping players into tackles
The storm tactics
Gang tackling

The legs tackle has almost been lost to the game through rules and interpretations as has the flop and while it is not immune to head knocks itself , the lack of reward for such a tackles has made them counter productive for the team

The flop was rubbed out but we let players join the upright tackle and push players over once held has been called more often than not.its the same ****, different position. They have no idea what they want the game to look like

The refs ability to allow or not allow, play the ball speeds and police the 10 m is what cruels sides , dictates defensive speed and contributes toward injury as much as anything else

The players union should insist on drones to capture and collate data from all games in regards to these issues to protect there players

 

[BOZO]

Speed kills mate

And the faster you go the bigger the mess feathered friend !

A PLAYER WITH SPEED IS COCAINE ON THE FOOTY FIELD

 

[Franko]

And the faster you go the bigger the mess feathered friend !

A PLAYER WITH SPEED IS COCAINE ON THE FOOTY FIELD

Geez you are a character I can’t imagine what it would be like having a couple of beers with you at the footy! It would be crazy to say the least

 

[globaleagle]

Seems like when Manly had a truckload of injuries it's "meh"

Now there's 19 spread across a few glamour sides it's "quick...wont somebody think of the children!!!!

 

[BOZO]

Geez you are a character I can’t imagine what it would be like having a couple of beers with you at the footy! It would be crazy to say the least

One day when the stars line up we will sit on the Incomparable Immortal stand at Lottoland and enjoy our Sea eagles

I am not a big drinker , I only drink one drink of guiness on my days off working out as I train 6 on and 2 off

But you dont have to drink to get high is passion and in spirit .

Passion and spirit does not come from a bottle . It comes from within feathered friend

 

[The Who]

A question marginally related to the topic:
Why don't modern day footballers wear shoulder pads like the players of old?

 

[frank stokes]

A question marginally related to the topic:
Why don't modern day footballers wear shoulder pads like the players of old?

I reckon some still do but they are thinner and less noticeable...

Not sure but they may give guys a reduced range of motion for reaching out for try line or twisting in tackles etc...

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Don 't think that it time to be considering those type of options just yet Mark . if there is a longer term trend of an unbalanced comp , fair enough but not in the current situation . Still so much fluctuation in many side "s year on year performance levels . Manly were close to a G F in 2019 , relatively poor since the mid point of last season but every reason to expect that could be reversed soon with the right circumstances . The NRL cap and TPA"s are not perfect[ and note Roosters , Storm and Broncs ] but has and still most likely will see a fair bit of team bench mark rating year in year out balancing out and could think of nothing worse then not seeing Manly competing at a higher level or being in a second rate comp when there is and like many other sides . , a couple of years of very average outcomes then immediate improvements . Look at the Titans . Also probably would make it harder to retain very promising juniors if they would be anticipating playing in a second tier and lesser rated comp .. if the Roosters suffer any more serious injuries , they could well finish in the bottom 8 this season , hardly would be realistic to have them in a bottom 8 comp in similar circumstances and in a following season .

Good points

 

[Brissie Kid]

The risk of conferences is that sooner or later the top conference clubs will vote to sever the lower conference from the NRL entirely.

 

[globaleagle]

Show ME the PROOF

Demands dictator in chief V'lamewad

No one disagrees with ME!

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ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys wants irrefutable proof that the explosion of injuries which has marred rugby league was caused by increases to the speed of matches.
“Give me an instance?” V’landys asked.


- If the rlpa weren't so toothless, they'd have an agreement in place that all rules have to be approved by them before they can be implemented. A la the nhl.

 

[susan]

Not sure again if the increased tempo of the game is the main cause of Manly "s woes for some time now . ,Maybe if they could fix up some very lazy and ineffective defence and a high rate of unforced errors for a good portion of their games , the quicker pace of the games would be incidental and they would be able to cope and compete so much better . Really do not think that Manly are one of the slowest sides in the comp , just not getting the basics right and putting too much pressure on themselves , burning up a lot more juice and also admittedly , still some very average attack but that is another matter . Schuster and the return of Tom will help in that regard but still need more from established players

DCE - good speed
Foran - broken body , slow
Parker - slowest centre in NRL
Suli - slow
Garrick - run down by Josh Kerr
Saab -good speed
Walker - average

Not a single forward you could class as quick other than maybe Marty for a middle. Jake is a mile slower than most 13s. Shuster good speed but he’s a 6 fir the future.

There is no side slower in my book.Easily.

But that’s not the real issue, even though it hurts.The real issue is they play the ball slow , move up slowly in defence and the playmakers play slow and flat footed.
OVERALL TEMPO is tortoise like. So obvious watching other games.
We are playing like the wrestle years. It’s a joke watching it every week with no change.

 

[Damien2812]

The speed of the game is the main factor on why more injuries have happened. I much preferred the way the game was pre covid last year since the game was balanced with attack and defence. Anyways I have given up on our chances from round 1 and now started to laugh at the team to help me from not getting the ****s. 🙁

 

[Highflier]

The salary cap and poor roster management has been forcing too many good players overseas for too long. teams offer overs to attract a player and then dont want them in the 3rd year so they forced out to superleague as noone can afford the inflated price

Desperation has also inflated players worth which again dilutes talent.There are very few million dollar players delivering. If fact most players in the 800 and 900k bracket are worth anything close

But sports facts say this, fatigue causes injury.

The game speeding up is not for the fans its for tv. There response is to just add an 18th man which is completely ignoring the leagues duty of care. If this isnthe solution despite the statistics i sense major issues unfolding

It wont be long before players will realise its impacting not just there health but there livelihood. Before signing any player these days a concussion report should be required . If a player has had 3 or 4 head knocks in the last couple of years they should be given a wide berth or have added clauses due to the likelehood of medical retirement, enforced by the NRL

The game is at exact odds with itself. Duty of care v we dont care about anything but tv money. The game needs to not just be concerned with the players health but also the circumstances that cause them

Fatigue
Night games cause slippery surfaces . Many concussions are caused by slipping players into tackles
The storm tactics
Gang tackling

The legs tackle has almost been lost to the game through rules and interpretations as has the flop and while it is not immune to head knocks itself , the lack of reward for such a tackles has made them counter productive for the team

The flop was rubbed out but we let players join the upright tackle and push players over once held has been called more often than not.its the same ****, different position. They have no idea what they want the game to look like

The refs ability to allow or not allow, play the ball speeds and police the 10 m is what cruels sides , dictates defensive speed and contributes toward injury as much as anything else

The players union should insist on drones to capture and collate data from all games in regards to these issues to protect there players

excellent post

 

[manlyfan76]

DCE - good speed
Foran - broken body , slow
Parker - slowest centre in NRL
Suli - slow
Garrick - run down by Josh Kerr
Saab -good speed
Walker - average

Not a single forward you could class as quick other than maybe Marty for a middle. Jake is a mile slower than most 13s. Shuster good speed but he’s a 6 fir the future.

There is no side slower in my book.Easily.

But that’s not the real issue, even though it hurts.The real issue is they play the ball slow , move up slowly in defence and the playmakers play slow and flat footed.
OVERALL TEMPO is tortoise like. So obvious watching other games.
We are playing like the wrestle years. It’s a joke watching it every week with no change.

Croaker doesn't run so he doesn't register on the GPS!

 

[manly al]

DCE - good speed
Foran - broken body , slow
Parker - slowest centre in NRL
Suli - slow
Garrick - run down by Josh Kerr
Saab -good speed
Walker - average

Not a single forward you could class as quick other than maybe Marty for a middle. Jake is a mile slower than most 13s. Shuster good speed but he’s a 6 fir the future.

There is no side slower in my book.Easily.

But that’s not the real issue, even though it hurts.The real issue is they play the ball slow , move up slowly in defence and the playmakers play slow and flat footed.
OVERALL TEMPO is tortoise like. So obvious watching other games.
We are playing like the wrestle years. It’s a joke watching it every week with no change.

Respect the fact that you are generally a hard marker and to understandably expect some decent bench mark standards but really can not agree that Manly would be easily the slowest side in the comp . Paseka and Jet ski [ admittedly struggling form wise now ] are certainly not slow , Alioia looks quite mobile , Jake not that slow , Olokoa - atu [ when he returns , quite mobile, if anything , Marty looks less agile these days . Suli wasn't slow last season , most of this season is either getting the ball either essentially flat footed or a wall of defenders in front of him . Parker the slowest centre ?, certainly a long way from the quickest but doubt he is the slowest . Garrick would normally have been expected to kick clear of Kerr , not sure what the issue was there . Manly were only completing at around 50 % in the i st half against the Dragons and a kick out on the full and very average kicking game all match , Had their chance of a win against the Rabbits at 14 - 12 but then again unforced errors . Again Foz and Schuster are trying to get the side moving forward better and some constructive attack but need more then that , and needing more from a 9 , maybe Cust can shake things up there ., but again overall, just would not rate Manly as the slowest side going around .

 

[frank stokes]

Respect the fact that you are generally a hard marker and to understandably expect some decent bench mark standards but really can not agree that Manly would be easily the slowest side in the comp . Paseka and Jet ski [ admittedly struggling form wise now ] are certainly not slow , Alioia looks quite mobile , Jake not that slow , Olokoa - atu [ when he returns , quite mobile, if anything , Marty looks less agile these days . Suli wasn't slow last season , most of this season is either getting the ball either essentially flat footed or a wall of defenders in front of him . Parker the slowest centre ?, certainly a long way from the quickest but doubt he is the slowest . Garrick would normally have been expected to kick clear of Kerr , not sure what the issue was there . Manly were only completing at around 50 % in the i st half against the Dragons and a kick out on the full and very average kicking game all match , Had their chance of a win against the Rabbits at 14 - 12 but then again unforced errors . Again Foz and Schuster are trying to get the side moving forward better and some constructive attack but need more then that , and needing more from a 9 , maybe Cust can shake things up there ., but again overall, just would not rate Manly as the slowest side going around .

I am genuinely interested to know what centres you reckon are slower than Parker?

Naden, Ramien and Best are about the same size and would leave him in the dust...

...maybe Suli?

 

[manly al]

I am genuinely interested to know what centres you reckon are slower than Parker?

Naden, Ramien and Best are about the same size and would leave him in the dust...

...maybe Suli?

Did try and qualify with Parker by saying doubt he would be the slowest and was trying to briefly mentally scan through some other side "s centres . Possibly he is but there are still another 15 sides to take into account . In any case , think the time has come for him not to be in the centres now for Manly and i have been suggesting in the back row until a couple of other troops return . Suli has just had so many limited opportunities this season and to be in the open and he definitely would not be the slowest centre in the N R L

 

[frank stokes]

Did try and qualify with Parker by saying doubt he would be the slowest and was trying to briefly mentally scan through some other side "s centres . Possibly he is but there are still another 15 sides to take into account . In any case , think the time has come for him not to be in the centres now for Manly and i have been suggesting in the back row until a couple of other troops return . Suli has just had so many limited opportunities this season and to be in the open and he definitely would not be the slowest centre in the N R L

I think Suli is fine once he is going but he takes a little to get into motion...

I am not convinced that Parker could handle the workload of 2nd row but I reckon we are gonna find out as he is a Des favourite and the Mad Professor has already floated it...

 

[susan]

Respect the fact that you are generally a hard marker and to understandably expect some decent bench mark standards but really can not agree that Manly would be easily the slowest side in the comp . Paseka and Jet ski [ admittedly struggling form wise now ] are certainly not slow , Alioia looks quite mobile , Jake not that slow , Olokoa - atu [ when he returns , quite mobile, if anything , Marty looks less agile these days . Suli wasn't slow last season , most of this season is either getting the ball either essentially flat footed or a wall of defenders in front of him . Parker the slowest centre ?, certainly a long way from the quickest but doubt he is the slowest . Garrick would normally have been expected to kick clear of Kerr , not sure what the issue was there . Manly were only completing at around 50 % in the i st half against the Dragons and a kick out on the full and very average kicking game all match , Had their chance of a win against the Rabbits at 14 - 12 but then again unforced errors . Again Foz and Schuster are trying to get the side moving forward better and some constructive attack but need more then that , and needing more from a 9 , maybe Cust can shake things up there ., but again overall, just would not rate Manly as the slowest side going around .

Hey Al
As per my post I clearly say the far bigger issue is they play SLOW as a team.
Everything they do as a team is slow - and the worst of these is slow play the balls and no line speed in defence.
No team plays the game as a whole slower than us.Hence we lose every week- by a lot.

And we will lose this week for the same reasons- by a lot.

As an aside Parker and Croker should be nowhere near any first grade side, in any position, particularly a forward pack.