Immortals and hall of fame

[Cliffymagic]

2 players every 4 years.... u can bet Smith and Thurstan will be named after this one. And we can enjoy the w... fest on telly for the next 4 years.

 

[StuBoot]

Manly players who made the list of 100 greatest named in 2007 - so automatic hall of famers

Boustead, Bull, Eadie, Fulton, Irvine, Lumsden, O'Neill.

Irvine and Fulton made the "Team Of The Century" named from the initial list of 100.

What other Manly players are hall of fame candidates ?? Beaver, Cliffy, Killer, O'Connell, Tooves ??

1. Beaver's record speaks for itself and is somehow always overlooked - A serious injustice
He IS the greatest tryscoring forward of all time and his longevity is second to none
3rd all time NRL tryscorer
20 years of topflight football inc overseas
12 straight years of rep football - NSW and Aust
oh yeah, and a cleanskin on and off the field
2. Snake
Can't help but think his career was cut short and never recovered plus he was up against some serious competition when
it came to rep football.
Career tryscoring strike rate of .700 speaks for itself especially when you factor in the last year or two when he could hardly run.
6th all time
IMO, no other Manly player ( that I've seen ) put bums on seats and then made them stand when he got the ball like the great Snake
3. Killer - his record is also world class

I love Tooves and Cliffy but can't put them in the top three

 

[Buck]

It should only be 1 or 2 immortals every 10 years. Inducting an immortal every 4 is too many. Allowing too many to be included reduces the value of the contribution to rugby league of those already inducted.
Having never witnessed Norm Provan's career, I will leave it to better judges than I to select the next Immortal.

The Immortals should only ever be the best of the very best to ensure it remains an exclusive club. There may be some years when there are no inductees but that shouldn't mean they go looking to make up a quota.
I also think once you have been nominated, you can't be nominated again if you don't get the nod. Norm Provan is a classic example. Don't get me wrong, great footballer but outvoted in the group he was placed with on 4 occasions. Do you keep nominating him until he comes up against weaker opposition?
This next intake should be solely pre WW2 to bring the intake up to date from the games history's perspective. Then we can move forward. I just hope they don't turn it in to a 'cast of thousands'.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Pommy lock Mal Reilly should be in the hall of fame. Didn't play too many seasons because he suffered a bad knee injury but was a class above while he was here. For a few years we had the best back (Fulton) and best forward in the world.

 

[TokyoEagle]

The Immortals should only ever be the best of the very best to ensure it remains an exclusive club. There may be some years when there are no inductees but that shouldn't mean they go looking to make up a quota.
I also think once you have been nominated, you can't be nominated again if you don't get the nod. Norm Provan is a classic example. Don't get me wrong, great footballer but outvoted in the group he was placed with on 4 occasions. Do you keep nominating him until he comes up against weaker opposition?
This next intake should be solely pre WW2 to bring the intake up to date from the games history's perspective. Then we can move forward. I just hope they don't turn it in to a 'cast of thousands'.

Good post Buck. Lots of great points. I am glad that you mentioned they shouldn't go looking for inductees. I definitely agree, if there is no one worthy they should pass over until the next entry period. I also agree that we should look at Pre-WW2 players to get a more even representation of those who dominated the game in their respective times.
If we are only inducting a certain number of players during set time periods, I think that players should be allowed to be nominated more than once. If a player misses out on being inducted due to numbers, they should be allowed to be considered again against a different set of players. If a player is overlooked, i.e. nobody is inducted, they would then be ineligible.
This is definitely something that must be handled very carefully. We must not allow the achievements of those original inductees to be tainted by those that follow.

 

[Moops]

Pretty sure you are quoting Laurie Daley from about 1997.

No, it was definitely Mal. I remember he was one of my favourites and that is when I lost all respect for him. Daley said he was looking forward to playing in front of packed stadiums in China.

 

[Peter C]

2 players every 4 years.... u can bet Smith and Thurstan will be named after this one. And we can enjoy the w... fest on telly for the next 4 years.

Two players every four years for an immortal is ridiculous, it only dilutes the value of an immortal. This means that over the next 20 years we may have another 10 possible immortals added.

 

[Dan]

I think the immortals has to be a little bit more than just the playing ability and record. That was spoiled with Johns but it should really be about not only what they brought to the game on the field but off it

 

[BOZO]

First Twenty listens to Silvertails on selection and now the nrl have listened and are introduing a hall of fame

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/03/19/nrl-unveils-new-immortals-and-hall-of-fame-programs/
“This year, we will induct an additional six players into a new NRL Hall of Fame.

“They will join the 100 Greats – named in our Centenary year ten years ago – who gain automatic induction into the NRL Hall of Fame as the Charter Class.

“We will also relaunch the Immortals, with up to two players being given the ultimate honour in our game, every four years.

There is only one true Immortal feathered friend

 

[Shoe1]

I’m surprised that the nrl haven’t added Craig Bellamy to the list.

His umpteen games for Canberra off the interchange bench were legendary, and he won about 20 tennis grand slams before presiding over stripped premierships.

And he changed what is acceptable in the game in terms of the rules, churns out a column for the weekend Australian, and puts on a menacing look for the cameras.

 

[malroon]

Smell Mefinger is a moral to be one of them. I'd have him ahead of some of the current crop mentioned as candidates.

I'd have Crusher before smellmeninga.....

 

[HoldenV8]

I’m surprised that the nrl haven’t added Craig Bellamy to the list.

His umpteen games for Canberra off the interchange bench were legendary, and he won about 20 tennis grand slams before presiding over stripped premierships.

And he changed what is acceptable in the game in terms of the rules, churns out a column for the weekend Australian, and puts on a menacing look for the cameras.

Lets not forget his sweat stained shirts. A lot of times he looks like he auditioned for that gross Lynx add where the guy shot streams of sweat from under his arms.

 

[MadMarcus]

1. Beaver's record speaks for itself and is somehow always overlooked - A serious injustice
He IS the greatest tryscoring forward of all time and his longevity is second to none
3rd all time NRL tryscorer
20 years of topflight football inc overseas
12 straight years of rep football - NSW and Aust
oh yeah, and a cleanskin on and off the field
2. Snake
Can't help but think his career was cut short and never recovered plus he was up against some serious competition when
it came to rep football.
Career tryscoring strike rate of .700 speaks for itself especially when you factor in the last year or two when he could hardly run.
6th all time
IMO, no other Manly player ( that I've seen ) put bums on seats and then made them stand when he got the ball like the great Snake
3. Killer - his record is also world class

I love Tooves and Cliffy but can't put them in the top three

Glad someone shares my view on Beaver. He was often for some reason overlooked or chosen on the bench for rep sides. He should be an Immortal imo, but it'll never happen. Maybe he should have gone all Mundine on us and told us all how good we was and he would have got a bit more praise, but that's not his style and one of the reasons he is one of the best ever, not just for Manly but for the game.

 

[mickqld]

I'm pretty sure Greenturd will be the next immortal.

 

[MadMarcus]

I'm pretty sure Greenturd will be the next immortal.

He's already immoral so all he needs is a T.

 

[Lyonstomenzies]

I don’t think that Menzies should be an imortal as great as he was.

I think I mortals should be in such a class that they are known as the best of their generation. Andrew Johns was the best player I saw play, Cliffy is my all time fav player to watch but for pure skill on the football paddock Andrew Johns was just that much better than the rest.

I hate to admit it, but Cam Smith is the next best I’ve seen. I was too young to know anything about great players watching Lewis run around and I’ve only seen video of Bozo.

I don’t think Thurston should be an imortal nor should any other players I’ve seen of late with the exception of Smith.

I do think that both Cliff and Beaver should be in the hall of Fame. Anyone who’s anyone that knows about league knows of Cliff. His style was legendary along with his moustache.

Menzies on the other hand is the most prolific forward try scorer and has played more 1st class games than any other modern player.

Both Cliff and Steve should both be included in the Hall of Fame, maybe even as a duo. Lyons to Menzies was the catch cry for so many years on the TV watching Cliff set up Menzies for try.

 

[bob dylan]

To claim Menzies as an immortal would lead to Tigers fans wanting Wayne Pearce and Eels fans wanting Hindmarsh.

Seriously, if they add a back rower it will be Frank Burge and/or Norm Provan. With the likes Bob McCarthy and Brad Clyde not even in the mix.

 

[Shoe1]

How about a theoretical player who won 4 grand finals, played in 6, rothmans medallist, record all grade scorer, record first grade scorer, 20 tests, 14 state games, and won a pommy premiership?

Would that player qualify?

Has that player achieved more than bozo, Lewis, Johns and most of the other immortals?

If so please add Graham Eadie to the list.

 

[mickqld]

Smith is an immortal at dual contracts, brown paper bags and grapple tackles.

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

Lyons, O'Connor, Menzies and O'Connell among the 25 that will be cut back to 6

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/04/28/hall-of-fame-final-ballot-2018/