If Foran plays tonight we win.

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This might sound like a weird idea and I'm happy to hear objections but with the Foran situation as is my plan would be:
Sit him down with Tooves and a mediator - the club needs to support some sort of resolution if his problem really is the coach.
Tooves to call him out on his heart and his talent by making him an immediate co-captian who is required to lead and inspire his current team to win. He'd look like an absolute dickhead if he didn't bust his gut for us as captain.
Someone at the club needs to sit the little goose down and play him reel after reel of Toovey as a player leading the pack. Tackling giants and getting his face smashed in for us, week in week out. That's leadership.
As for the club, Kelly and the Penns (note the lack of apostrophe @Shoe1 ) need to hold a fan forum and get some input from the passionate members and fans. They have told us they have a Plan B for 16. What the hell is it? They need to take ownership of their recruiting failures and explain future plans to fans.
Player signs with another club with 12 mths to go on existing contract, shows :swear: all effort to help out team mates...... And you call for him to captain the side? Wow.
 
Player signs with another club with 12 mths to go on existing contract, shows :swear: all effort to help out team mates...... And you call for him to captain the side? Wow.
He seems to know it all better than Toovey. Put him to the test.
It would be very transparent to the whole Nrl competition if he didn't bust himself and lead as a co-captain.
It's just a suggestion. I don't know what else to do with him.
Sometimes at schools we give under performing kids high expectations and extra responsibilities. They often rise to the challenge.
 
He seems to know it all better than Toovey. Put him to the test.
It would be very transparent to the whole Nrl competition if he didn't bust himself and lead as a co-captain.
It's just a suggestion. I don't know what else to do with him.
Sometimes at schools we give under performing kids high expectations and extra responsibilities. They often rise to the challenge.
I understand the angle you're taking, but can you imagine the statement that would make to the rest of the team....

walk out on our club at seasons end in our darkest hour, play with a complete lack of enthusiasm, and be rewarded with the privilege of captaining the club?
 
In the fair dinkum stakes, it seems ridiculous to suggest that Foran could be benched, or worse, dropped to reserve grade, having just been elevated to the highest paid player in the game, however....

Bennett made an example of Justin Hodges when he took off to the Roosters (yes Hodges was a relative newcomer at the time), but maybe we do need to make an example of this guy? I don't think we (the forum) are alone in noticing the lack of effort from Foran last night....the club would be aware of it too. Maybe he does need to come off the bench (a la Benji Marshall at the Tigers) in order to make a statement that we will not tolerate him clocking off early?!
 
Fellas, a question for you. I have just come back from a badly torn hamstring 3 mths ago, and I still don't feel quite right. Point being, if Foz rushed back in only 3 weeks, there's no way he could be running properly on that leg. Do you think that would have affected his performance?
 
He seems to know it all better than Toovey. Put him to the test.
It would be very transparent to the whole Nrl competition if he didn't bust himself and lead as a co-captain.
It's just a suggestion. I don't know what else to do with him.
Sometimes at schools we give under performing kids high expectations and extra responsibilities. They often rise to the challenge.
I honestly believe he should be dropped to nsw cup if his performances don't improve dramatically ...... His attitude is showing , his just going through the motions.... Unlike DCE who is actually having a dig...... Toovey needs to show his got a set and make an example of him.
 
As much as I think he deserves to be dropped, if his was I reckon at least 2 other players would throw a tanty and sit down with him. I think Toovey's hands are tied on this one
 
Fellas, a question for you. I have just come back from a badly torn hamstring 3 mths ago, and I still don't feel quite right. Point being, if Foz rushed back in only 3 weeks, there's no way he could be running properly on that leg. Do you think that would have affected his performance?
Your absolutely right Crusher.
He must've faked the hammy injury.:)
 
As much as I think he deserves to be dropped, if his was I reckon at least 2 other players would throw a tanty and sit down with him. I think Toovey's hands are tied on this one
I think you are correct. Snake and Mattai would carry on if Foz is dropped. I wouldn't make him captain either , but understand where Nicci is coming from. Wouldn't he be our current highest paid player? Maybe killer would be the only one perhaps on more than 650 a season.
 
No chance should he be made Captain. That is the highest honour as a Sea Eagles player and we throw it at someone who has shown a disregard for the club.

I understand the logic @niccipops, but it's a definite no for me.

And as for others sitting down if Foran gets benched or dropped. Well then they need to sit Foran down in the hall of mirrors and give him a very harsh talking to and make him realize that this is affecting everyone (Snake and Matai included....presuming they didn't like it).

I know some are saying this is harsh on Foran etc etc. and what were we expecting being dominated in the forwards? Effort...attitude...commitment. Everything that we all thought Foran has in abundance (when we thought he would be Killers replacement as captain in a few years time). Not miracle, impossible plays, just an effort to try and pull us back into the game.

Now I hate Thurston. I just think he's a tosspot of the highest order. And the Cows are playing rubbish.....does Thurston ever look like he's not interested? In fact almost the opposite. He gets the strops with the refs, his players. Gets his hands on the ball as much as possible, gets smashed..GETS UP! and just never gives up. As much as it pains me, Foran needs to get a few games of the Cows and watch it.
 
Can you imagine the explosion in the media if we dropped the million dollar baby. I think we've had enough hysteria from the media to last a decade of late. Please no more. Leave him to play as there aren't any real alternatives and let's just get this year over with and we can all move on. Season 2015 needs to be wiped from Manly's history books.
 
Can you imagine the explosion in the media if we dropped the million dollar baby. I think we've had enough hysteria from the media to last a decade of late. Please no more. Leave him to play as there aren't any real alternatives and let's just get this year over with and we can all move on. Season 2015 needs to be wiped from Manly's history books.

Disagree, Mick. I would have no problem seeing him dropped and couldn't give a f#@* about any impending media storm (it's already here and has been here for some time). I'd rather see the club make a stand and show us that passion and love for our jersey still means something. As for no "real alternative"... I revert back to my above point... "better to die on your feet than live on your knees" (Thanks Pete)
 
if thats the case last night , can you please give me the reason/excuse for his performance for his last 10 games for this club....

maybe its time you go to spec savers

Maybe mate, I don't have an answer for the last 10 games. I feel he is playing as good as the people around him are. And that's just not good enough.
 
the Eels have paid way too much Foran okay player

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I asked two professionals who make their living from rating teams and players’ value and they both had Foran’s value between 550k and 600k. It remains to be seen how this buying market-share strategy will affect the Eels, as they have paid out $400,000 a season greater than Foran’s club, the Sea Eagles, and well over double what is generally considered his true worth to a salary cap.

Everyone agrees he is a great competitor and an asset to any club, but it is relative to value percentage into the cap. If Eels fans think that Foran is going to turn up next season and finally be the long-lost organiser that has been sadly missing since Sterlo and Brett Kenny then they are in for a disappointment. Foran will bring leadership and stability, but he is not an on-field general with a brilliant tactical kicking game.

He has said that it is not about the money but that he wanted his game to go to a new level, which is a nice slap in the face to his coach Geoff Toovey and specialist halves coach Andrew Johns.

Kieran, you have just completed the deal of the century and congratulations to you, but let’s get it right – it was all about the money.
 
I think you are correct. Snake and Mattai would carry on if Foz is dropped. I wouldn't make him captain either , but understand where Nicci is coming from. Wouldn't he be our current highest paid player? Maybe killer would be the only one perhaps on more than 650 a season.

i understand your point , and it may be even fact...
BUT as much as we love matia & brett , they did not make this club and this club will still be around many years to come....

Since when does Manly players run the club & run the team..

if matai & brett want to protest , well the 3 of them can run around holding hands in reserves
if they too were do protest , well the simply dont respect the jersey either..

Foran , if not the highest is our highest paying player who is on his way out, if he cant perform or doesn't want to , well he should be dropped...

Should this club suffer and its supporters for a whole year , just to keep players happy amongst each other... ???? his gone anyway , so i say give him a early shower.
 
No chance should he be made Captain. That is the highest honour as a Sea Eagles player and we throw it at someone who has shown a disregard for the club.

I understand the logic @niccipops, but it's a definite no for me.

And as for others sitting down if Foran gets benched or dropped. Well then they need to sit Foran down in the hall of mirrors and give him a very harsh talking to and make him realize that this is affecting everyone (Snake and Matai included....presuming they didn't like it).

I know some are saying this is harsh on Foran etc etc. and what were we expecting being dominated in the forwards? Effort...attitude...commitment. Everything that we all thought Foran has in abundance (when we thought he would be Killers replacement as captain in a few years time). Not miracle, impossible plays, just an effort to try and pull us back into the game.

Now I hate Thurston. I just think he's a tosspot of the highest order. And the Cows are playing rubbish.....does Thurston ever look like he's not interested? In fact almost the opposite. He gets the strops with the refs, his players. Gets his hands on the ball as much as possible, gets smashed..GETS UP! and just never gives up. As much as it pains me, Foran needs to get a few games of the Cows and watch it.

Did you see Thurston tonight ???

2 x sideline conversions , one with 2 minutes to give them a chance with a field goal.
feild goal to tie with 30 seconds to go ( into golden point )
then kicking a winning field goal in golden point..

now thats a player & a leader and closer to a 1.2 million player a year than Foran will ever be.
 
Hamstring or not as far as I'm concerned that little **** has 1 more chance to show some guts this weekend. If he shirks it again and doesn't play a 10/10 game then he must be gone from 1st grade.
 
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