I saw glimpses .. of form .. or grasping for ..

Waz13 said:
Was about to say the same. Cust must start next week. No if’s, buts or maybes! Suli out might be a blessing to give Harper or Funa a run. Saab dropped for Tuipolotu perhaps. As much as I hated Garrick’s first two games. He’s been streaks ahead of Saab Tge last two. Seriously tho if Des trots out the same list on Tuesday I’ll lose my s&&@!
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yes no excuse now for changes not to be made. Hopefully Turbo back..... but we err on the side of caution and make sure he is totally right to go.
 
Its just so obvious its becoming laughable..

OUR back line... especially the edges are seriously a joke. the glimpses of "form" you see are from the majority of forwards as our pack at times holds it own.

BUT THE BACKS..... what a disgrace.. Ok we dont have Tommy at fullback so Walks is out of position BUT whilst ever Des keeps burying his head in the sand and picking Garrick, Parker, Suli and Saab as combos on the edges we are F*#c**....
combined that with Foran who is really way past his best and an out of form DCE and we are a joke of a team leaking 40 points per game and 90% of those tries come through our edges... SO ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE mad scientist its obvious to my grandmother who has NO idea..
We are the laughing stock of the comp.. So embarrassing I have to laugh at it myself whilst watching.

Garrick- Is a turnstile.. look up the dictionary for turnstile defender and there will be a pic of Ruben Garrick....arm out going one way , body out of balance going the other way, eyes closed and an attacker pushing past his arm... TRY time.. The guy seriously looks afraid to tackle or contest a ball.

Parker- Look up the dictionary under slow foot work and a pic of mr Parker will be front and centre.. he has heart but seriously no speed or footwork at all, you can see every time the attack comes his way his pedaling in the wrong direction or in super slow mo, the guy knows he lacks the speed and it shows in his game play he has zero confidence in stopping attacking plays. He also needs to be taught how to catch and hold a ball and how to throw a pass and we shouldn't be doing that for him in an NRL side .. So back to park footy my man!

Saab- Ok maybe his young and inexperienced but did anyone tell him that being a footy player meant that you actually had to tackle, not just run with the ball... he has no footy smarts whatsoever, rushing out for no reason, arm grabbing and not using his height at all to his advantage.. His defence or lack of is up there with Garrick and this is why we are leaking so many points.

Suli-- another one that must have been at KFC whilst his junior coaches where talking about how to tackle, I cant recall him hitting hard and low, just grabs at a jersey and as the attacker pushes away he stops in disbelief...WTF... wheres the second effort.

Crocker- Sorry bud but no matter how many injury setbacks you have had not matter how much of a "big" thing you were in your junior days you just don't have it at NRL level, especially at hooker, a position that demands footy smarts, solid defence, crisp passing and a running game.. He has ZERO of those attributes .

In summation whilst Des keeps these 5 guys in our team we will NEVER win a game with them there..
Its that simple and laughable because its there for all to see and why cant we make the necessary changes rather than talking the Bulls#*t.. we have character in this team, we need to hold the ball, we need to talk more, we are one win away from turning this around..blah blah..

Simple solution- Piss those 5 numpties off to Blacktown and let them get the wooden spoon.

Tommy to fullback
Harper and Walker to centre
Funa to one wing and oh how I wish we had that "slow to get back for kick returns winger" Jorgie boy back
Shuster to 5/8, Foz to bench
Cust to hooker.

1- Tommy T
2- Funa
3- Walker
4- Harper
5- Koula/ Tuipulotu..ANYONE other than the dead beats above until Jorge gets back
6- Schuster
7- DCE
8- Paseka
9- Cust
10- Taupau
11- Sironen
12- Olakau'atu
13- Jake T

14- Foran
15- Aloiai
16- Keppie
17- Sipley

18- Gosiewski
19- Saddler
 
Apparently there was a 40 minute period where Penrith didn’t score. 50 if you count half time.
 
Jethro said:
To me, we looked better when Marty was off the field and the ones that you mentioned were on. I think that Marty has lost his spark.
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Marty has stopped playing with aggression and purpose since arriving at Manly, maybe the Nth Beaches has softened him up and he is playing to prolong his career.

Now sometimes aggression can go overboard and work against you but we still need some direct fire in his runs and some general purposeful leadership to inspire the troops, not i will do my 10-15 hitups offer a few offloads and be done with.

I like Marty but his runs are not direct enough with punch, but that is also due to the lack of supporting player movement off the ball and our predictable one out stuff, we don't make it easy for ourselves to show off the good points in players.
 
Woodsie said:
Was it just me, or did others see small sparkles of form amongst the debris ?

We Applied some pressure and field position when we held the ball ... looked okay at times

Paseka firing up ..

Keppie and Aloiao went well ..

Cust a keeper ..

Walker starting to look a bit dangerous when he runs ....

Help me out here .. what else ..
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The time keeper did a great job and the crowd was better than I thought it would be.
 
Technical Coach said:
Marty has stopped playing with aggression and purpose since arriving at Manly, maybe the Nth Beaches has softened him up and he is playing to prolong his career.

Now sometimes aggression can go overboard and work against you but we still need some direct fire in his runs and some general purposeful leadership to inspire the troops, not i will do my 10-15 hitups offer a few offloads and be done with.

I like Marty but his runs are not direct enough with punch, but that is also due to the lack of supporting player movement off the ball and our predictable one out stuff, we don't make it easy for ourselves to show off the good points in players.
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I think he hasn’t been the same since he got knocked cold late last year.
 
Tent tried to put some sting in with his tackles but missed a couple of times.

Keppie and Aloai ran well with the ball.

I would go with Tuipulotu over Harper on the left and Walker on the right.

Saab needs to go looking for the ball more, I think it’s time for some much needed enthusiasm in the middle and come round 12 S. Fainu and Saddler get a run over blokes not having a crack.
 
Jay Eagle said:
Its just so obvious its becoming laughable..

OUR back line... especially the edges are seriously a joke. the glimpses of "form" you see are from the majority of forwards as our pack at times holds it own.

BUT THE BACKS..... what a disgrace.. Ok we dont have Tommy at fullback so Walks is out of position BUT whilst ever Des keeps burying his head in the sand and picking Garrick, Parker, Suli and Saab as combos on the edges we are F*#c**....
combined that with Foran who is really way past his best and an out of form DCE and we are a joke of a team leaking 40 points per game and 90% of those tries come through our edges... SO ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE mad scientist its obvious to my grandmother who has NO idea..
We are the laughing stock of the comp.. So embarrassing I have to laugh at it myself whilst watching.

Garrick- Is a turnstile.. look up the dictionary for turnstile defender and there will be a pic of Ruben Garrick....arm out going one way , body out of balance going the other way, eyes closed and an attacker pushing past his arm... TRY time.. The guy seriously looks afraid to tackle or contest a ball.

Parker- Look up the dictionary under slow foot work and a pic of mr Parker will be front and centre.. he has heart but seriously no speed or footwork at all, you can see every time the attack comes his way his pedaling in the wrong direction or in super slow mo, the guy knows he lacks the speed and it shows in his game play he has zero confidence in stopping attacking plays. He also needs to be taught how to catch and hold a ball and how to throw a pass and we shouldn't be doing that for him in an NRL side .. So back to park footy my man!

Saab- Ok maybe his young and inexperienced but did anyone tell him that being a footy player meant that you actually had to tackle, not just run with the ball... he has no footy smarts whatsoever, rushing out for no reason, arm grabbing and not using his height at all to his advantage.. His defence or lack of is up there with Garrick and this is why we are leaking so many points.

Suli-- another one that must have been at KFC whilst his junior coaches where talking about how to tackle, I cant recall him hitting hard and low, just grabs at a jersey and as the attacker pushes away he stops in disbelief...WTF... wheres the second effort.

Crocker- Sorry bud but no matter how many injury setbacks you have had not matter how much of a "big" thing you were in your junior days you just don't have it at NRL level, especially at hooker, a position that demands footy smarts, solid defence, crisp passing and a running game.. He has ZERO of those attributes .

In summation whilst Des keeps these 5 guys in our team we will NEVER win a game with them there..
Its that simple and laughable because its there for all to see and why cant we make the necessary changes rather than talking the Bulls#*t.. we have character in this team, we need to hold the ball, we need to talk more, we are one win away from turning this around..blah blah..

Simple solution- Piss those 5 numpties off to Blacktown and let them get the wooden spoon.

Tommy to fullback
Harper and Walker to centre
Funa to one wing and oh how I wish we had that "slow to get back for kick returns winger" Jorgie boy back
Shuster to 5/8, Foz to bench
Cust to hooker.

1- Tommy T
2- Funa
3- Walker
4- Harper
5- Koula/ Tuipulotu..ANYONE other than the dead beats above until Jorge gets back
6- Schuster
7- DCE
8- Paseka
9- Cust
10- Taupau
11- Sironen
12- Olakau'atu
13- Jake T

14- Foran
15- Aloiai
16- Keppie
17- Sipley

18- Gosiewski
19- Saddler
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Could not agree more ✅
Sack the 5
And I would add Foz as well to the Workers
My biggest fear is Des will use Gosweski in the centres and keep Walker at FB
 
Here is part of the problem. Take for example our dummy half situation. Last night even Stevie Wonder could have seen that for a while at least, we were a vastly different team when Cust replaced Croker. We suddenly had a hooker who was giving fast, crisp passes, was backing up, was running and was getting us on the front foot. Everything Croker has not done in any of our games so far.

Yet you can almost bet your house on Croker still being named at #9 on Tuesday and starting there against the Warriors.
 
Waz13 said:
Was about to say the same. Cust must start next week. No if’s, buts or maybes! Suli out might be a blessing to give Harper or Funa a run. Saab dropped for Tuipolotu perhaps. As much as I hated Garrick’s first two games. He’s been streaks ahead of Saab Tge last two. Seriously tho if Des trots out the same list on Tuesday I’ll lose my s&&@!
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Mate you better get rid of any sharp implements from your home by 4pm Tuesday then.
 
Neither Croker or Cust are hookers, not on a rugby league field, not at Kings Cross late on a Saturday night. But surely even Des saw the difference in the teams performance last night when Cust replaced Croker in the first half

I sincerely hope he did. After all Croker didn't actually come back on until late and even then I think he was playing centre or 5/8 with Cust still at dummy half so maybe Des did see the difference.

Maybe.
 
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