I have a bad/good idea for 2021

[Deleted member 26876]

After the Rabbits game obviously it is a bit of a typical Silvertails chaos forum so i thought i'd throw my spanner in the works. I've had a change in thought on our squad. For some time i've thought only a few little changes were needed but in the back of my head I've always been thinking about some more drastic changes (and risky ones too..) that we could pull to to quickly gear us for a premiership. Two main problems;

1. Lack of versatility in the forwards
2. Backline

Controversial opinions but IMO...

• Walker really doesn't excite me, release him. Too much promise but speed is gone and that was his only strong asset in the past (other than grubbiness which has also diluted over the years).
• AFB doesn't excite me neither (controversial, I know). I think the game has moved past AFB style players since the mid 2010's. Ironically he's our best individual prop, I agree. However, he makes our forward-pack dynamic so poor (same w/ Jake in his current state). Too much size, not enough versatility and energy/fitness, too much reliance on AFB/Taupau for too long.
• Therefore, while risky and potentially stupid (I agree) I'd release Taupau or AFB, or both and bring in some signings to make our pack refreshed and versatile (especially now Thompson is gone)
• Finally, most cliche of all - I know... - ponder releasing DCE. (or offer ultimatum to reduce contract)

Before attacking me have a look at this squad below and think about the team as a whole. Then attack me because this may be an overreaction to the game, but some thoughts have been in back of my head for a while.

I EDITED THIS SIDE, here it is after re-thinking it

2021
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Albert Hopoate
3. Katoni Staggs *
4. Moses Suli (last chance, absolute beast but invisible)
5. Tevita Funa
6. Joshua Schuster/Cust
7. Keiran Foran (300K, Cust as backup waiting in the wings) *
8. Addin Fonua-Blake
9. Sam Verrills
10. Jake Trbojevic
11. Haumole Olakautau
12. Curtis Sironen or signing w/ Siro to bench
13. Christian Welch
INTERCHANGE
14. Cade Cust/Schuster
15. Sean Keppie
16. Taniela Paseka (really encouraging lately, developing footwork and drive)
17. Zac Saddler (grubby youth needed)
Reserves: 2 or so new signings + Parker, Sipley, Boyle, Gosie etc.

INS: ~ $2.1million [Foran, Katoni Staggs, Christian Welch, Sam Verrills + ~500K-1M leftover]
OUTS: ~ $3million [DCE, Walker, Waddell, Croker, Thompson, Taufua, Taupau (imo past it/stale, 700-750K)]

Re: Foran
Only 300K, has played 11/14 this year and Schuster/Cust can form a halves pairing if he ever gets injured to give us glimpse of the future, IMO worth it for mentoring alone, let alone his ability.

 

[Ohgeez]

Getting rid of AFB is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, you gotta be joking. Why would we get rid of one of the best forwards in the league, even when Manly play garbage he is always one of the best on the team. & losses aren’t put down to him, it’s the backs that let us down clearly.

 

[MissKate]

Some seriously crazy ideas there, the drugs or alcohol must be working wonders

 

[The Who]

After the Rabbits game obviously it is a bit of a typical Silvertails chaos forum so i thought i'd throw my spanner in the works. I've had a change in thought on our squad. For some time i've thought only a few little changes were needed but in the back of my head I've always been thinking about some more drastic changes (and risky ones too..) that we could pull to to quickly gear us for a premiership. Two main problems;

1. Lack of versatility in the forwards
2. Backline

Controversial opinions but IMO...

• Walker really doesn't excite me, release him. Too much promise but speed is gone and that was his only strong asset in the past (other than grubbiness which has also diluted over the years).
• AFB doesn't excite me neither (controversial, I know). I think the game has moved past AFB style players since the mid 2010's. Ironically he's our best individual prop, I agree. However, he makes our forward-pack dynamic so poor (same w/ Jake in his current state). Too much size, not enough versatility and energy/fitness, too much reliance on AFB/Taupau for too long.
• Therefore, while risky and potentially stupid (I agree) I'd release Taupau or AFB, or both and bring in some signings to make our pack refreshed and versatile (especially now Thompson is gone)
• Finally, most cliche of all - I know... - ponder releasing DCE. (or offer ultimatum to reduce contract)

Before attacking me have a look at this squad below and think about the team as a whole. Then attack me because this may be an overreaction to the game, but some thoughts have been in back of my head for a while.

Like AFB, DCE as a player obviously isn't bad, he is often one of the more passionate players. Simply, he's on way too much coin (i'd offer him an ultimatum to either drop his contract for the team or walk). He isn't leading by example with his contract and more of a 5/8 than a 7. Also, the back-row as it is is completely stale.

2021
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Albert Hopoate
3. Katoni Staggs *** Signing
4. Moses Suli (last chance, absolute beast but invisible)
5. Tevita Funa
6. Joshua Schuster
7. Keiran Foran (300K, Cust as backup waiting in the wings) *** Signing
8. Jake Trbojevic
9. Sam Verrills/Cade Cust *** Signing?
10. Christian Welch *** Signing
11. Haumole Olakautau
12. Brad Parker? (Steve Menzies 2.0, awesome one-on-one defender)
13. Kevin Proctor *** Signing (many other options outside Proctor)
INTERCHANGE
14. Cade Cust (if we sign someone like Verrills)/
15. Taniela Paseka (much improved of late, really encouraging)
16. Curtis Sironen
17. Zac Saddler (grubby youth needed)

RESERVES
Brad Parker, Ben Trbojevic, Brendon Elliott, Reuben Garrick + *** NEW signing
Then Toafofoa Sipley, Morgan Boyle, Jack Gosiewski + *** NEW signing

INS = Katoni Staggs, Sam Verrills, Christian Welch (perfect NRL prop), Keiran Foran (300K!), Kevin Proctor + 2 depth signings
OUTS = AFB, Taupau, DCE, Walker, Waddell, Taufua

Thoughts? Crazy, I know.

I agree with several of your suggestions, such as getting rid of Walker and I'd also consider releasing Kapow.
I don't know how you would go about releasing DCE; why would he want to leave on such a good salary?

 

[Kalvin]

Agree with letting walker go but not afb... however lets be honest.. we will be lucky to sign anyone outside of foz next season... we never seem to have cap space

 

[KNUCKLES]

if were gonna go all out crazy talk/ thoughts here.. then it has to be said. I would shop jakey well before even considering AFB.. possibly even taupau. I think if the game has passed any of our forwards its jakey. Too many set restarts, very slow, no post contact metres. Isnt really dynamic whatsoever.. only thing he offers at the moment that isn't stifling is his defense.. not to mention he is on 900k a year.. alot more than AFB is. Would two quality players at 900k be of more value than jurbo himself? Probably. Another thing.. hate to say it but i think it's only gonna get worse as he ages.. but In reality will never happen.. dce and the turbis are here to stay.

 

[Remy]

the things i hear on this forum... gawddddddd hahhahaaha

 

[Dion Johnson]

One thing you are correct with in my opinion Harry is one senior forward needs to go for a balanced squad.

Marty was the first one come to mind for me.

Time for Jake to hit the front row again and maybe with the emergence of Tent, there is room for another one to go. I think Sipley may get released.

To many young forwards in the club that need a path into the team, in time of cause.

 

[wombatgc]

After the Rabbits game obviously it is a bit of a typical Silvertails chaos forum so i thought i'd throw my spanner in the works. I've had a change in thought on our squad. For some time i've thought only a few little changes were needed but in the back of my head I've always been thinking about some more drastic changes (and risky ones too..) that we could pull to to quickly gear us for a premiership. Two main problems;

1. Lack of versatility in the forwards
2. Backline

Controversial opinions but IMO...

• Walker really doesn't excite me, release him. Too much promise but speed is gone and that was his only strong asset in the past (other than grubbiness which has also diluted over the years).
• AFB doesn't excite me neither (controversial, I know). I think the game has moved past AFB style players since the mid 2010's. Ironically he's our best individual prop, I agree. However, he makes our forward-pack dynamic so poor (same w/ Jake in his current state). Too much size, not enough versatility and energy/fitness, too much reliance on AFB/Taupau for too long.
• Therefore, while risky and potentially stupid (I agree) I'd release Taupau or AFB, or both and bring in some signings to make our pack refreshed and versatile (especially now Thompson is gone)
• Finally, most cliche of all - I know... - ponder releasing DCE. (or offer ultimatum to reduce contract)

Before attacking me have a look at this squad below and think about the team as a whole. Then attack me because this may be an overreaction to the game, but some thoughts have been in back of my head for a while.

Like AFB, DCE as a player obviously isn't bad, he is often one of the more passionate players. Simply, he's on way too much coin (i'd offer him an ultimatum to either drop his contract for the team or walk). He isn't leading by example with his contract and more of a 5/8 than a 7. Also, the back-row as it is is completely stale.

2021
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Albert Hopoate
3. Katoni Staggs *** Signing
4. Moses Suli (last chance, absolute beast but invisible)
5. Tevita Funa
6. Joshua Schuster
7. Keiran Foran (300K, Cust as backup waiting in the wings) *** Signing
8. Jake Trbojevic
9. Sam Verrills/Cade Cust *** Signing?
10. Christian Welch *** Signing
11. Haumole Olakautau
12. Brad Parker? (Steve Menzies 2.0, awesome one-on-one defender)
13. Kevin Proctor *** Signing (many other options outside Proctor)
INTERCHANGE
14. Cade Cust (if we sign someone like Verrills)/
15. Taniela Paseka (much improved of late, really encouraging)
16. Curtis Sironen
17. Zac Saddler (grubby youth needed)

RESERVES
Brad Parker, Ben Trbojevic, Brendon Elliott, Reuben Garrick + *** NEW signing
Then Toafofoa Sipley, Morgan Boyle, Jack Gosiewski + *** NEW signing

INS = Katoni Staggs, Sam Verrills, Christian Welch (perfect NRL prop), Keiran Foran (300K!), Kevin Proctor + 2 depth signings
OUTS = AFB, Taupau, DCE, Walker, Waddell, Taufua

Thoughts? Crazy, I know.

I have to say Harry, the first thing that came to mind after reading your post was how well it’s set out. Bullet points, highlighted bits, underlines. You don’t see that sort of quality too much on here. So well done there.
There’s a cpl things I can’t fathom.
1. Parker to second row. Mate if this bloke isn’t medically retired by this time next year from all the knockouts he’s copped, I’ll eat my hat.
2. AFB. He’s more athletic than he looks. Gets through the line frequently, and has great post-contact metres.
3. Can’t do Foran. Too injury prone.

Things I liked:
1. Fan of Katoni Staggs. So a big yes.
2. Getting Shuster/Funa/Guacamole/Hoppa in.(but he’s probably going to bugger off to the Dogs).

Gutsy post Harry. Well done.

 

[Deleted member 26876]

One thing you are correct with in my opinion Harry is one senior forward needs to go for a balanced squad.

Marty was the first one come to mind for me.

Time for Jake to hit the front row again and maybe with the emergence of Tent, there is room for another one to go. I think Sipley may get released.

To many young forwards in the club that need a path into the team, in time of cause.

I agree, Marty was first that came to my mind

 

[Deleted member 26876]

Some seriously crazy ideas there, the drugs or alcohol must be working wonders

Maybe i'm the new mad scientist. Or maybe just the former.

I edited the squad again, much happier with it now

 

[jbb/james]

Some seriously crazy ideas there, the drugs or alcohol must be working wonders

Drugs and alcahol have released a statement saying they wish to distance themselves from these comments.

 

[Tomay]

Forward versatility is a problem, contributing to the lack of line speed in defence. I'd shop Marty first though as his tendancy to offload poorly and make mistakes in crucial moments can be a liability. I really like what the guy brings off the field though so maybe we could just change our rotations.

 

[Bring back the.... Biff?]

After the Rabbits game obviously it is a bit of a typical Silvertails chaos forum so i thought i'd throw my spanner in the works. I've had a change in thought on our squad. For some time i've thought only a few little changes were needed but in the back of my head I've always been thinking about some more drastic changes (and risky ones too..) that we could pull to to quickly gear us for a premiership. Two main problems;

1. Lack of versatility in the forwards
2. Backline

Controversial opinions but IMO...

• Walker really doesn't excite me, release him. Too much promise but speed is gone and that was his only strong asset in the past (other than grubbiness which has also diluted over the years).
• AFB doesn't excite me neither (controversial, I know). I think the game has moved past AFB style players since the mid 2010's. Ironically he's our best individual prop, I agree. However, he makes our forward-pack dynamic so poor (same w/ Jake in his current state). Too much size, not enough versatility and energy/fitness, too much reliance on AFB/Taupau for too long.
• Therefore, while risky and potentially stupid (I agree) I'd release Taupau or AFB, or both and bring in some signings to make our pack refreshed and versatile (especially now Thompson is gone)
• Finally, most cliche of all - I know... - ponder releasing DCE. (or offer ultimatum to reduce contract)

Before attacking me have a look at this squad below and think about the team as a whole. Then attack me because this may be an overreaction to the game, but some thoughts have been in back of my head for a while.

I EDITED THIS SIDE, here it is after re-thinking it

2021
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Albert Hopoate
3. Katoni Staggs *
4. Moses Suli (last chance, absolute beast but invisible)
5. Tevita Funa
6. Joshua Schuster/Cust
7. Keiran Foran (300K, Cust as backup waiting in the wings) *
8. Addin Fonua-Blake
9. Sam Verrills
10. Jake Trbojevic
11. Haumole Olakautau
12. Curtis Sironen or signing w/ Siro to bench
13. Christian Welch
INTERCHANGE
14. Cade Cust/Schuster
15. Sean Keppie
16. Taniela Paseka (really encouraging lately, developing footwork and drive)
17. Zac Saddler (grubby youth needed)
Reserves: 2 or so new signings + Parker, Sipley, Boyle, Gosie etc.

INS: ~ $2.1million [Foran, Katoni Staggs, Christian Welch, Sam Verrills + ~500K-1M leftover]
OUTS: ~ $3million [DCE, Walker, Waddell, Croker, Thompson, Taufua, Taupau (imo past it/stale, 700-750K)]

Re: Foran
Only 300K, has played 11/14 this year and Schuster/Cust can form a halves pairing if he ever gets injured to give us glimpse of the future, IMO worth it for mentoring alone, let alone his ability.

Please direct me to your drug dealer. Cheers

 

[Bring back the.... Biff?]

Maybe i'm the new mad scientist. Or maybe just the former.

I edited the squad again, much happier with it now

Its one thing to release all these players and another to get good replacements. Its easy to make a list out of the players you choose we might get 1

 

[Dion Johnson]

Its one thing to release all these players and another to get good replacements. Its easy to make a list out of the players you choose we might get 1

Spot on Biff, at the moment what would attract a player to our club.

We would struggle to bring any potential top line player to the club, some action is in desperate need to swing us around to where we belong.

 

[The better Robbo]

Said 2 years ago we should not re sign Taupau and move Jake to prop and was completely shut down on here. Too many players on big money

 

[ShakeySeaEagle]

DCE, Turbos and Marty are on way too much money to even consider giving an early release, unless the other team takes their full contract. They are all still very capable first graders and it’s got to do more with the way they are been used then their ability.

DCE has no ownership on the main thing he should which is last tackle options. Jake is getting too predictable going to the line with that shape. Both these players are very capable of changing that. Marty is playing great footy and unfortunately Tom has had his injury woes. Walker has a friendlier contract to look at releasing but the guy is an out and out centre and I’d love to see him play there.

1. Tom Trbojevic 1.1m
2. Jorge Tafua Albert Hopoate 200k
3. Dylan Walker 350k
4. Kotoni Staggs * 450k
5. Rueben Garrick Tevita Funa 150k
6. Kieran Foran * 350k
7. Daly Cherry Evans 1.3m
8. Jake Trbojevic 900k
9. Dany Levi Brendon Smith * 500k
10. Marty Tapau 700k
11. Curtis Sironen 300k
12. Haumole Olakauatu 200k
13. Joel Thompson Bayley Sironen * 250k

14. Cade Cust 200k
15. Addin Fonua Blake 600k
16. Taniela Paseka 250k
17. Josh Schuster 150k

18. Sean Keppie 110k
19. Tof Sipley 110k
20. Morgan Boyle Matt Eisenhuth* 110k
21. Corey Waddell 110k
22. Tony Williams Ray Stone * 110k
23. Jack Gosiewski Nicho Hynes * 110k
24. Moses Suli 500k
25. Brad Parker 110k
26. Morgan Harper 110k
27. Brayden Musgrove Charlie Stains * 110k
27. Luke Metcalf 110k
28. Brendan Elliot Tyrone May * 110k
29. Manase Fainu 110k
30. Lachlan Croker 110k

Wouldn’t mind seeing this squad next year I think it is definitely capable of winning the gf. Our top 17 is capable of top 4 if they stay fit we need to make better depth signings.

 

[Woodsie]

After the Rabbits game obviously it is a bit of a typical Silvertails chaos forum so i thought i'd throw my spanner in the works. I've had a change in thought on our squad. For some time i've thought only a few little changes were needed but in the back of my head I've always been thinking about some more drastic changes (and risky ones too..) that we could pull to to quickly gear us for a premiership. Two main problems;

1. Lack of versatility in the forwards
2. Backline

Controversial opinions but IMO...

• Walker really doesn't excite me, release him. Too much promise but speed is gone and that was his only strong asset in the past (other than grubbiness which has also diluted over the years).
• AFB doesn't excite me neither (controversial, I know). I think the game has moved past AFB style players since the mid 2010's. Ironically he's our best individual prop, I agree. However, he makes our forward-pack dynamic so poor (same w/ Jake in his current state). Too much size, not enough versatility and energy/fitness, too much reliance on AFB/Taupau for too long.
• Therefore, while risky and potentially stupid (I agree) I'd release Taupau or AFB, or both and bring in some signings to make our pack refreshed and versatile (especially now Thompson is gone)
• Finally, most cliche of all - I know... - ponder releasing DCE. (or offer ultimatum to reduce contract)

Before attacking me have a look at this squad below and think about the team as a whole. Then attack me because this may be an overreaction to the game, but some thoughts have been in back of my head for a while.

I EDITED THIS SIDE, here it is after re-thinking it

2021
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Albert Hopoate
3. Katoni Staggs *
4. Moses Suli (last chance, absolute beast but invisible)
5. Tevita Funa
6. Joshua Schuster/Cust
7. Keiran Foran (300K, Cust as backup waiting in the wings) *
8. Addin Fonua-Blake
9. Sam Verrills
10. Jake Trbojevic
11. Haumole Olakautau
12. Curtis Sironen or signing w/ Siro to bench
13. Christian Welch
INTERCHANGE
14. Cade Cust/Schuster
15. Sean Keppie
16. Taniela Paseka (really encouraging lately, developing footwork and drive)
17. Zac Saddler (grubby youth needed)
Reserves: 2 or so new signings + Parker, Sipley, Boyle, Gosie etc.

INS: ~ $2.1million [Foran, Katoni Staggs, Christian Welch, Sam Verrills + ~500K-1M leftover]
OUTS: ~ $3million [DCE, Walker, Waddell, Croker, Thompson, Taufua, Taupau (imo past it/stale, 700-750K)]

Re: Foran
Only 300K, has played 11/14 this year and Schuster/Cust can form a halves pairing if he ever gets injured to give us glimpse of the future, IMO worth it for mentoring alone, let alone his ability.

You make some good points Harry ... but I would keep AFB .... and release Kapow

 

[KNUCKLES]

After the Rabbits game obviously it is a bit of a typical Silvertails chaos forum so i thought i'd throw my spanner in the works. I've had a change in thought on our squad. For some time i've thought only a few little changes were needed but in the back of my head I've always been thinking about some more drastic changes (and risky ones too..) that we could pull to to quickly gear us for a premiership. Two main problems;

1. Lack of versatility in the forwards
2. Backline

Controversial opinions but IMO...

• Walker really doesn't excite me, release him. Too much promise but speed is gone and that was his only strong asset in the past (other than grubbiness which has also diluted over the years).
• AFB doesn't excite me neither (controversial, I know). I think the game has moved past AFB style players since the mid 2010's. Ironically he's our best individual prop, I agree. However, he makes our forward-pack dynamic so poor (same w/ Jake in his current state). Too much size, not enough versatility and energy/fitness, too much reliance on AFB/Taupau for too long.
• Therefore, while risky and potentially stupid (I agree) I'd release Taupau or AFB, or both and bring in some signings to make our pack refreshed and versatile (especially now Thompson is gone)
• Finally, most cliche of all - I know... - ponder releasing DCE. (or offer ultimatum to reduce contract)

Before attacking me have a look at this squad below and think about the team as a whole. Then attack me because this may be an overreaction to the game, but some thoughts have been in back of my head for a while.

I EDITED THIS SIDE, here it is after re-thinking it

2021
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Albert Hopoate
3. Katoni Staggs *
4. Moses Suli (last chance, absolute beast but invisible)
5. Tevita Funa
6. Joshua Schuster/Cust
7. Keiran Foran (300K, Cust as backup waiting in the wings) *
8. Addin Fonua-Blake
9. Sam Verrills
10. Jake Trbojevic
11. Haumole Olakautau
12. Curtis Sironen or signing w/ Siro to bench
13. Christian Welch
INTERCHANGE
14. Cade Cust/Schuster
15. Sean Keppie
16. Taniela Paseka (really encouraging lately, developing footwork and drive)
17. Zac Saddler (grubby youth needed)
Reserves: 2 or so new signings + Parker, Sipley, Boyle, Gosie etc.

INS: ~ $2.1million [Foran, Katoni Staggs, Christian Welch, Sam Verrills + ~500K-1M leftover]
OUTS: ~ $3million [DCE, Walker, Waddell, Croker, Thompson, Taufua, Taupau (imo past it/stale, 700-750K)]

Re: Foran
Only 300K, has played 11/14 this year and Schuster/Cust can form a halves pairing if he ever gets injured to give us glimpse of the future, IMO worth it for mentoring alone, let alone his ability.

AFB plays massive minutes, massive engine. You can't question his fitness. The guy is best prop in the game in my opinion. Would be the last person I'd let go