How much of a roster rebuild do we really need?

[Scorpio]

Lane was looking likely last year but alas...

I agree but I also don't think we have seen the best of Sironen yet. Hopefully (!) he stays injury free.

 

[Snake]

For me Boyle,DeLuis and Saunders fit the bill for more workmanlike guys,an organizing half yes,but would like to wait and see how Elgey and Cust go before chasing one,if they don't fit then O'Sullivan or Townsend would fit the bill.Walker or a replacement is a no brainer.As to the big winger,I would love to see how Nathan Davis goes when he comes back mid-year from suspension with workers,he is an NRL calibre winger/centre(similar to Mitchell/Inglis).What you have mentioned doesn't translate to big changes,sounds more like fine tuning?

I guess big is subjective. Fine tuning for mine, is depth signings. Big is replacing a member of the spine, offloading a marquee player in Walker, moving on a club stalwart in Taufua and chasing a marquee prop. I also think Boyle comes under the "power" forward, rather than worker. He is huge. I'm talking about a player in the mould of Alex Twal or Aiden Tolman; I am not saying we should sign either player, I just mean a lean, mobile forward who gets through a ton of work. They are important in tight games. When you have big power forwards, they struggle to defend for long periods. They did a remarkable job yesterday but against really strong teams, they will get found out eventually.

Thinking about it, we might not need to buy that winger if Albert Hopoate lives up to the hype. That'll leave more money to spend on the half and prop. I think this prop thing is a bigger problem than most people realise. The losses that we had in rd.1 and 2 were a direct result of too many power forwards. We gave away ball and kick poorly, which gassed our big men and we couldn't recover. We just need more of a balance between the body shapes and styles.

 

[Kalvin]

Lets get gutho back from Parra once walker is let go! Who's with me?!

 

[Fluffy]

Cuthbo to the ring, right, @Ryan ??

it has a nice wing to it

 

[Fluffy]

Schuster and Hopoate are the key ingredients missing...and maybe a return of Will Hoppa if Walker is moved on

Is Schuster an NRL 5/8 though?

Thought i read he was already over 100 kegs so might be a bit big. Certainly has skills and could be anything but does he have the speed for a 5.8?

Could be more of a lock and Jake back to Prop.

 

[Simonmyers11]

Schuster is a ball playing back rower

 

[Chip and Chase]

Schuster is a ball playing back rower

The next Gifty if things go to plan for us. Skilful player.

 

[The better Robbo]

A strike centre and winger would do me. I see jake eventually moving to prop and allowing the likes of waddell, olokatau, schuster to come in the backrow with sirro. Wouldn't mind another experienced hard working forward too though.

 

[Bearfax]

Schuster is a ball playing back rower

Schuster is a Lewis sized 5/8 or back rower. He seems to have exceptional attacking skills both as a distributer and try scorer. He'll be a lot better than Glenn Stewart if he progresses with the skills I've seen so far. Would be wasted in the forwards. Potentially could be Manly best 5/8 since Cliffy. Has been playing most of his later junior performances at 5/8 and one of the primary reasons Manly are leading the SG Ball

 

[double hoops]

Gutho back is the only big purchase even worth considering. Other then that, lets retain not recruit.

 

[bob dylan]

Cherry is already on the wrong side of 30. I realise he is signed until the end of 2023, which is ridiculous.

It will be time to start looking for a 7 within the next 18 months.

Although he does seem very durable.

 

[BOZO]

Some will definitely go and some will come in,but do we really need a major overhaul,personally think we should stick with developing some guys we have and make sure we can afford to retain later on when they will cost more...potential side for next year...
1 Trbojevic
2 Garrick
3 Hopoate
4 Walker
5 Suli
6 Cust
7 DCE
8 AFB
9 Fainu
10Taupau
11Waddell
12Sironen
13Trbojevic
14Koroisau
15Gosiewski
16Sipley
17Boyle
Add in Elliot,Funa,Anderson,Metcalfe,Elgey,Paseka,Croker,Olakau'atu,Schuster and Keppie and that gives you a pretty decent top 27 players.Guys like Aukafolau,Miski,Dockar-Clay,DeLuis,Saunders are impressing in CC who could be added into that squad.Potentially Walker could be gone and would replace like for like with a quality player but all in all a squad I would be happy to stick with....one guy I would like to see us pick up is Dean Britt(son of former dogs prop Darren),really good second rower with the bunnies,more of a no frills type,but a goer with some attacking skill and not getting a go with Bennett.Gets involved,has an occasional offload and works hard in defence.

Great post @Smokin Joe . You have made some very good points

 

[Deleted member 26876]

Lane was looking likely last year but alas...

Problem with lane is that he isn’t scary, and his defence is too weak/lazy for an edge imo. Has some ok line running but lacks attacking structure, often throws very strange offloads that are risky. He’d be a perfect player for the crazy warriors back when Shaun Johnson played

 

[Shoe1]

Perhaps a roster rebuild isn’t the way to go?

How about tearing down the rosters of other teams? Political style.

Dirty tricks campaigns, integrity unit reports, entrapment, let’s go hard.

 

[bob dylan]

I think Tapau still looks like a wolf lost among sheep.
He has the size and ability but seems to have forgotten how to use it.

Like me you think he is a cat.

Move him on after next year.

 

[Simonmyers11]

A strike centre and winger would do me. I see jake eventually moving to prop and allowing the likes of waddell, olokatau, schuster to come in the backrow with sirro. Wouldn't mind another experienced hard working forward too though.

I love those types of players. hard working back rowers that never let you down. jake is exceptional, but with Thomo on his last year would love a player like Josh Jackson in the back row. Hard working 80 min player who barely has a bad game

 

[Freagle]

I guess big is subjective. Fine tuning for mine, is depth signings. Big is replacing a member of the spine, offloading a marquee player in Walker, moving on a club stalwart in Taufua and chasing a marquee prop. I also think Boyle comes under the "power" forward, rather than worker. He is huge. I'm talking about a player in the mould of Alex Twal or Aiden Tolman; I am not saying we should sign either player, I just mean a lean, mobile forward who gets through a ton of work. They are important in tight games. When you have big power forwards, they struggle to defend for long periods. They did a remarkable job yesterday but against really strong teams, they will get found out eventually.

Thinking about it, we might not need to buy that winger if Albert Hopoate lives up to the hype. That'll leave more money to spend on the half and prop. I think this prop thing is a bigger problem than most people realise. The losses that we had in rd.1 and 2 were a direct result of too many power forwards. We gave away ball and kick poorly, which gassed our big men and we couldn't recover. We just need more of a balance between the body shapes and styles.

Keppie might be that player... I’ve not seen enough of him to judge it, but apparently he is a big, rangy hard-worker. Nothing flash, but defensively strong.

 

[Smokin Joe]

I guess big is subjective. Fine tuning for mine, is depth signings. Big is replacing a member of the spine, offloading a marquee player in Walker, moving on a club stalwart in Taufua and chasing a marquee prop. I also think Boyle comes under the "power" forward, rather than worker. He is huge. I'm talking about a player in the mould of Alex Twal or Aiden Tolman; I am not saying we should sign either player, I just mean a lean, mobile forward who gets through a ton of work. They are important in tight games. When you have big power forwards, they struggle to defend for long periods. They did a remarkable job yesterday but against really strong teams, they will get found out eventually.

Thinking about it, we might not need to buy that winger if Albert Hopoate lives up to the hype. That'll leave more money to spend on the half and prop. I think this prop thing is a bigger problem than most people realise. The losses that we had in rd.1 and 2 were a direct result of too many power forwards. We gave away ball and kick poorly, which gassed our big men and we couldn't recover. We just need more of a balance between the body shapes and styles.

You definitely need workers in the middle no doubt,but not sure about a marquee prop as a worker,those sort of guys tend to come a bit cheaper(Des in the past has picked up cheapies and depth guys from other clubs as those sort of guys).We have a bit of money invested in front rowers at the moment and might have to shed someone more than Perrett and Tanginoa to afford a pricey worker type.Personally think guys like DeLuis/Saunders/Keppie can fill that type of role and whilst yes Boyle is big,he has a big motor and is more a worker than given credit for.I sort of like the way Des has been moving Jake to prop and bringing on Waddell and Gosiewski to work the middle defensively(maybe not as much go forward but probably waiting on Paseka to come back and Boyle to fully recover/regain fitness.)Anyway,it is an interesting time to see how things pan out......The doggies used a similar tactic with their forwards on the weekend and it worked a treat,whether it continues to be a success for them is still debatable.(and us I suppose)

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I would love to see how Nathan Davis goes when he comes back mid-year from suspension with workers,he is an NRL calibre winger/centre(similar to Mitchell/Inglis)

Serious? Workers have someone similar to Mitchell/Inglis? Let's look no further.

 

[Damien2812]

Hi all

I had some thoughts on what line up Manly could possibly have for 2020 and maybe what player we could target for 5/8. I know we desperately need a 5/8, Powerful tall strike winger and I think we should let Walker go after this year because lets face he hasn't played enough footy for this $600,000 salary..

My line up looks like this..

1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Corey Oates or Jordan Rapana
3. Euan Aitken
4. Moses Suli
5. Reuben Garrick
6. Chad Townsend (Was reports not long ago he could be forced out because of the cap)
7. Daly Cherry-Evans
8. Addin Fonua-Blake
9. Apisai Koroisau
10. Martin Taupau
11. Joel Thompson
12. Curtis Sironen
13. Jake Trbojevic


Interchange

14. Manase Fainu
15. Jack Gosiewski
16. Corey Waddell
17. Toafofoa Sipley

Now I haven't really thought to much regarding back row and front row but all depends on how much money we have I guess..

Let me know what you think...