Henry Perenara vs Manly

[HoldenV8]

Just a casual check of all the Manly games Henry Perenara has refereed since he became a first grade ref in 2011.....

9 April 2012 - Manly def. Penrith 30-0 at Brookvale. Penalties 5-5
13 May 2013 - Roosters def. Manly 16-4 at Brookvale. Penalties 9-9
16 August 2013 - Souffs def. Manly 22-10 at Gosfors. Penalties 5-10 (Tooves presser night)
21 July 2014 - Manly def. St Merge 21-12 at Kogarah. Penalties 7-9
6 March 2015 - Eels def. Manly 42-12 at Pirtek. Penalties 9-7
20 March 2015 - Dogs def. Manly 16-12 at Brookvale. Penalties 5-5
4 April 2015 - Canberra def. Manly 29-16 in Albury. Penalties 7-3
25 April 2015 - Manly def. Storm 12-10 at AAMI. Penalties 9-10
30 May 2015 - NQ def. Manly 18-14 at 1300. Penalties 3-5
26 June 2015 - Souffs def. Manly 20-8 at ANZ. Penalties 9-6
13 July 2015 - Manly def. Titans 38-6 at CBus. Penalties 6-8
14 March 2016 - Tigers def. Manly 36-22 at Leichhardt. Penalties 8-8
20 June 2016 - Titans def. Manly 30-10 at CBus. Penalties 6-10
4 July 2016 - Manly def. St Merge 36-6 at Brookvale. Penalties 7-9
25 July 2016 - Manly def. Souffs 20-12 at SFS. Penalties 6-11
20 August 2016 - Storm def. Manly 38-18 at Brookvale. Penalties 4-6
18 March 2017 - Manly def. NQ 30-8. Penalties 9-10
8 July 2017 - Penrith def. Manly 16-8. Penalties 4-14

That's 18 times that Perenara has refereed a Manly game either as the so-called pocket ref or as the main ref. We have a 7-9 record with him as a referee and the penalty count reads Manly 119, opposition 144.

And as you can see, we have lost the last 6 penalty counts with a total of 36-60 (which just happens to coincide to when he became the main ref rather than the pocket ref) even though we have won 3 of those games, 2 by big scores. But the pattern does show that his penalty counts against Manly regardless of the score are starting to get bigger and bigger and the gap between our penalty count and the oppositions is getting steadily wider when he is reffing us.

Make of it what you will.

 

[HappilyManly]

I treat Refs rulings like the weather conditions.

Players need to adjust their game to both and neither will bow to their requests.

Mental strength will develop for Manly and magically the Refs' influence will diminish on our games

The video session should clarify to the players how they lost focus and let their angst cost them 2 valuable match points

Good learning experience for a young Manly dynasty 🙂

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I treat Refs rulings like the weather conditions.

Players need to adjust their game to both and neither will bow to their requests.

Mental strength will develop for Manly and magically the Refs' influence will diminish on our games

The video session should clarify to the players how they lost focus and let their angst cost them 2 valuable match points

Good learning experience for a young Manly dynasty 🙂

Yes, whilst I thought we were caned unmercifully last night you NEVER win against the refs, and I thought the " situation" last night deserved a more disciplined approach in the second half, something that didn't happen.

Cherry's protests , whilst respectful were ultimately going to fall on deaf ears.

I hope they learn from that, sadly these arseholes can determine games, the only way to beat them is take them out of the picture.

 

[brad]

You wont take them out of the picture when they think they are the star actor.

 

[globaleagle]

It's disturbing you have to go back over two years before we 'win' a penalty count with HP.

Even then it was a good victory to souths so I wonder if there were a few 'even up' penalties later in the game?

Disturbing stat.

 

[BOZO]

The way I see it........
Henry and the Panthers would have been no match for us if he played with more discipline
The level of your success
is determined
by the level of your discipline

 

[HoldenV8]

It's disturbing you have to go back over two years before we 'win' a penalty count with HP.

Even then it was a good victory to souths so I wonder if there were a few 'even up' penalties later in the game?

Disturbing stat.

It was basically around that time when Perenara became more the main ref rather than the pocket one. With him as pocket ref, other than the night Tooves blew his stack, penalty counts generally ended up even-ish. Since he's become the main ref he's been blowing the pea out of his whistle against us.

 

[globaleagle]

It was basically around that time when Perenara became more the main ref rather than the pocket one. With him as pocket ref, other than the night Tooves blew his stack, penalty counts generally ended up even-ish. Since he's become the main ref he's been blowing the pea out of his whistle against us.

Which I think speaks volumes about how biased he is against us.

Lets wait and see what ref boss Archer will do to fix it.

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[HoldenV8]

The way I see it........
Henry and the Panthers would have been no match for us if he played with more discipline
The level of your success
is determined
by the level of your discipline

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Mate, I get what you're saying but when the ref goes back 15 metres and calls anyone in front of him offside while at the same time allowing the opposition players to be sometimes 2 metres in front of him and not doing anything about it......that isn't ill discipline. We weren't as bad as the penalty count suggests, and Penrith definitely weren't as good.

 

[HoldenV8]

Let me put it this way.....

I'm starting to understand what coaches like Jack Gibson had against Greg Hartley. Gibson outright called Hartley biased and it appears that for whatever reason Henry Perenara is just that against Manly.

Though I think Manly fans have more class than to jump the fence and confront him on the field like some doesn't-matta fans did with Hartley.

 

[BOZO]

Mate, I get what you're saying but when the ref goes back 15 metres and calls anyone in front of him offside while at the same time allowing the opposition players to be sometimes 2 metres in front of him and not doing anything about it......that isn't ill discipline. We weren't as bad as the penalty count suggests, and Penrith definitely weren't as good.

I understand what you are saying . I was also referring to our poor ball control as well as some of our stupid penalties that we offered
Yes I agree with you that we weren't as bad
What I am saying is we weren't as disciplines as we could have been either
That is what cost us the game

 

[mave]

Dropped ball is extrapolated by heavy defensive requirements.

 

[davohan123]

Have fun with this people 🙂🙂

 

[wedgetail eagle]

Re. Manly v Penrith.
CH9 Sunday Footy Show only gave the game a couple of minutes review.
Andrew Johns tried to talk about the penalty count, but no takers.
The Parra-Storm game got a lot more analysis.
Things that make you go Hmmm...

 

[Michael Clare]

Just a casual check of all the Manly games Henry Perenara has refereed since he became a first grade ref in 2011.....

9 April 2012 - Manly def. Penrith 30-0 at Brookvale. Penalties 5-5
13 May 2013 - Roosters def. Manly 16-4 at Brookvale. Penalties 9-9
16 August 2013 - Souffs def. Manly 22-10 at Gosfors. Penalties 5-10 (Tooves presser night)
21 July 2014 - Manly def. St Merge 21-12 at Kogarah. Penalties 7-9
6 March 2015 - Eels def. Manly 42-12 at Pirtek. Penalties 9-7
20 March 2015 - Dogs def. Manly 16-12 at Brookvale. Penalties 5-5
4 April 2015 - Canberra def. Manly 29-16 in Albury. Penalties 7-3
25 April 2015 - Manly def. Storm 12-10 at AAMI. Penalties 9-10
30 May 2015 - NQ def. Manly 18-14 at 1300. Penalties 3-5
26 June 2015 - Souffs def. Manly 20-8 at ANZ. Penalties 9-6
13 July 2015 - Manly def. Titans 38-6 at CBus. Penalties 6-8
14 March 2016 - Tigers def. Manly 36-22 at Leichhardt. Penalties 8-8
20 June 2016 - Titans def. Manly 30-10 at CBus. Penalties 6-10
4 July 2016 - Manly def. St Merge 36-6 at Brookvale. Penalties 7-9
25 July 2016 - Manly def. Souffs 20-12 at SFS. Penalties 6-11
20 August 2016 - Storm def. Manly 38-18 at Brookvale. Penalties 4-6
18 March 2017 - Manly def. NQ 30-8. Penalties 9-10
8 July 2017 - Penrith def. Manly 16-8. Penalties 4-14

That's 18 times that Perenara has refereed a Manly game either as the so-called pocket ref or as the main ref. We have a 7-9 record with him as a referee and the penalty count reads Manly 119, opposition 144.

And as you can see, we have lost the last 6 penalty counts with a total of 36-60 (which just happens to coincide to when he became the main ref rather than the pocket ref) even though we have won 3 of those games, 2 by big scores. But the pattern does show that his penalty counts against Manly regardless of the score are starting to get bigger and bigger and the gap between our penalty count and the oppositions is getting steadily wider when he is reffing us.

Make of it what you will.

Who said that statistics always lie - the proof is there for all to see thanks to you. Great research feathered friend. I think Perenara is the new Bill Harrigan. Like Harrigan he appears to hate Manly, has an ego bordering on arrogance and loves being the centre of attention. One of the worst refereeing displays in recent memory. Of course, we call all rest assured that Mr Archer or the NRL hierachy will do absolutely nothing about this disgraceful performance. As Tooves once famously said, "There ought to be an investigation!" There won't be.

I can't help thinking about the poor folks who place bets on the football. If you put a few bob on Manly last night more fool you - the writing was on the wall five minutes into the game. I won't even go into the inconsistent rulings match after match at the ruck, the stripped ball rule etc destroying a once great game.

The NRL has a real credibility problem. Some people even think (I won't go as far as saying I believe it) that refs ensured the third Origin match of this series is still alive. I will make a sad prediction though and hope sincerely that I'm wrong and just being cynical this morning ... Manly will not get a "fair go" from officials and be allowed to win this premiership. It wouldn't be a popular win for the game. Referees will help determine the premiers of 2017. Watch out for teams like the Broncos, Parramatta, Melbourne or North Queensland - they seem to have friends in high places.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

@BOZO

SOO2 was so scripted it could win an Academy Award.

And no way in hedes would we be allowed to win a Premiership, our "turn"will come, when it's deemed we've been in the Wilderness long enough.

I'll soon be 62 soon, I just hope it's in my lifetime!

 

[HoldenV8]

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Have fun with this people 🙂🙂

HP "I don't care how good you are Daley, I'M the star of this show"
DCE "Wasn't there a line in Footrot Flats: The Dogs Tale that said.....kick the ref in the goulies?"

 

[The Who]

Perenara is an old fashioned referee.
He's still playing the 5-metre rule.
Sorry. Can't explain why he plays a 10-metre rule when Manly is defending, though.

 

[ManlyTragic]

There needs to be an investigation..... it's ridiculous!

 

[HoldenV8]

Re. Manly v Penrith.
CH9 Sunday Footy Show only gave the game a couple of minutes review.
Andrew Johns tried to talk about the penalty count, but no takers.
The Parra-Storm game got a lot more analysis.
Things that make you go Hmmm...

Just watching the Sunday Footy Show (starts at 1PM in Adelaide). I was gobsmacked at Fittler's comment about the penalty count. He actually claimed that Manly are one of the least penalised teams and last night would have been a shock to their system.

What drugs is Freddie on? The top 3 penalised teams in 2017 are in order Melbourne, Chooks and Manly.