The Fat Lady (or Fat man in Vegas' case :lol@: ) has not begun to sing but it is not far off both Grand Finalist from 2004 missing the semis altogether. Rorters are stuffed chooks and the poundkeeper is looking for the keys to the kennel. If my memory serves me correctly the last time that this happened was 1987 when the Dogs and Eels bombed out and Manly, Easts, Canberra and Souths were the big runners that year. Was a five team format that year too. Not sure if it has ever happened with the 8 team format???