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11:35 to 14:36 if the formatting is incorrect. If you've got a strong opinion on the wider topic, you might find some insight if you acknowledge the content.
All the best Manase.
No critical thinking, no logic, just abuse.
11:35 to 14:36 if the formatting is incorrect. If you've got a strong opinion on the wider topic, you might find some insight if you acknowledge the content.
All the best Manase.
In the video I can't work out who was worse? Really didn't think either were what I want representing the youth of the world? Showed mt daughter and even she was offended
11:35 to 14:36 if the formatting is incorrect. If you've got a strong opinion on the wider topic, you might find some insight if you acknowledge the content.
All the best Manase.
Okay maybe the example was too blunt. Here is a more consumable form of his persona and message:In the video I can't work out who was worse? Really didn't think either were what I want representing the youth of the world? Showed mt daughter and even she was offended
there are currently circumstances and inadequate safety nets
The groups we tend to refer to as gangs are from marginalised and disadvantaged communities. Otherwise they are not called gangs, but rather groups, or circles. Or cliques. Or clubs. Or syndicates, or companies, or political parties!for some not easily attainable in their single lives.
Good summary Oliver. The other issue is that gangs are not necessarily criminal, but merely an association of young men (generally men or boys), who gain protection, a sense of belonging, respect within the group, brotherhood for some not easily attainable in their single lives. Unfortunately it becomes a Them and Us scenario and as Darth Vader suggests, leads to the dark side of the force. Gangs have existed throughout history, often tempered during times of war. Tribes tended to overcome this through a process of structured rites of passage. Unfortunately in large impersonal societies, this tends to break down.
@Oliver - the two posts above from @Bearfax and @SeaEagleRock8 summarize the situation well IMHO.The groups we tend to refer to as gangs are from marginalised and disadvantaged communities. Otherwise they are not called gangs, but rather groups, or circles. Or cliques. Or clubs. Or syndicates, or companies, or political parties!
Feel free to make a thread in General forum as the 'gang question' is likely to get topical again when the trial is on.
Showed him in a better light, this one says, he's trying to do the right thing, share his past warts and old. If it discourages would be thugs and criminals then that's great and gets my support.Okay maybe the example was too blunt. Here is a more consumable form of his persona and message:
My point is there exists a large portion of our society today that actively identify and act with this criminal activity and status, yet the actual statistical trends remain consistent in a generational sense which to me indicates a continued insufficiency around the issue from all involved as the numbers overwhelmingly support.
Don't get me wrong. I am against unjust criminality of all forms. I am not endorsing violence, gangs or any other types of activities which cause harm to our society, including the failures of the justice system to apply proportionate penalties where justified. I am simply trying to provide you with a point of view from the people who are in these positions.
There are systemic issues far deeper than some "crazy" people, there are currently circumstances and inadequate safety nets which have left some people exposed to the temptations a desperate person would be drawn into out of necessity and then subsequently trapped within as by design. Yes, personal responsibility is not irrelevant like some may like to entertain of late but this can be remedied in a verifiably cheaper, more humane way that will not just provide economic and productivity benefits but wider societal wealth.
This is just my opinion, I understand I may not have as much experience from an academic standpoint but have unfortunately allegedly been in the vicinity of such things and empathise with all effected by this criminal culture which simply evolved from the previous, as will the next until we find a solution. Until then everyone's opinion is worth discussing and given consideration. Be careful not to equate youth culture to this, the influence overlaps and exists everywhere but this isn't the first culture that's been co-opted by nefarious operators.
Apologies for the late night essay, just wanted to acknowledge your reply and position, then to present mine in an attempt at some coherence, cheers.
Edit: @Brookie Bob I missed your message. Hopefully some of what I've written above might be applicable too. I'm happy to discuss it further as I have a few alleged intimate insights regarding the current going ons (not Manase, just in general) if you'd like but assume the subject a drag to talk, especially on Silvertails!
Respectfully I think we all know how the discussion would pan out on an alternate subforum although I agree with why you have suggested such. Personally I believe that it is an issue that involves not just the NRL (who have publicly acknowledged it), but our club (radio silence apart from Josh Aloiai's personal plea) in particular. If you let your imagination run for a moment have a think back to AFB's release and comments. I am not suggesting anything at all beyond what is on the public record, nor am I alleging anything of anyone. I do agree in general with your view and if the discussion is unwarranted, feel free to moderate accordingly.The groups we tend to refer to as gangs are from marginalised and disadvantaged communities. Otherwise they are not called gangs, but rather groups, or circles. Or cliques. Or clubs. Or syndicates, or companies, or political parties!
Feel free to make a thread in General forum as the 'gang question' is likely to get topical again when the trial is on.
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