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End of our Finals cycle

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Crusher_Cleal, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. Crusher_Cleal

    Crusher_Cleal Well-Known Member

    +762 /21
    We are officially at the end of our Finals cycle I feel. Note the pattern (end of regular season position):
    2005 – 8th  (out 1st week)
    2006 – 6th  (out 2nd week)
    2007 – 2nd  (GF)
    2008 – T1st (Premiers)
    2009 – 5th  (out 1st week)
    2010 – 8th  (out 1st week)
    I fear that we may not see Finals action again for a while to come.
  2. WAMF

    WAMF Well-Known Member

    +408 /0
    Superstition and nothing more.
  3. Eagle Eyed Cherry

    Eagle Eyed Cherry Member

    +5 /0
    Utter bull****. There is no reason why with our playing roster that we wont be playing semi-final football regularly in the next few seasons.With a good run with injuries another grand final is certainly possible.
  4. ads

    ads Well-Known Member

    +29 /1
    Interesting cycle but doesn't really mean much if our players can play well next year.

    I think that's a reasonably natural cycle with the salary cap though.
  5. mickqld

    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +5,250 /109
    A full strength Manly like Saints,Canberra,Roosters are would have been a lot different team to what we have seen recently. We wouldnt have finished 8th more likely top 4 and be still alive.
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    +0 /0
    LOL we will be there again next year,  depends on how we make it wether we will have success in the 1st week of finals or we bow out, but definately we will be there.. actually i can see us getting back some momentum  the team lost after the WCC, we get  wolfie ,snake back which already adds more pace for us out wide ,  nah man i think we will make it just like we did this yr  & 09 & we did it   without our full roster..
  7. Utility Player

    Utility Player Well-Known Member

    +514 /6
    Or to look at it another way nex year we will be 6th and then be in 2 grand finals in a row ;)
  8. Dan

    Dan Kim Jong Dan Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +7,747 /120
    Time to start the rebuilding I think.

    next year we have a few players coming off contract and hopefully we are able to make a few key buys that will see us build towards success over the next 3 years
  9. EagleRock40

    EagleRock40 Well-Known Member

    +211 /4
    Hopefully the club has found a pen before next season then  :) Kite, King, Rodney, Bailey, Robbo and Wolf all off contract end of next year!
  10. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

    +19,684 /383
    Crusher (the real one) said to me once these things go in 5 year cycles.

    Year 1 rebuild
    Year 2 Continue rebuild and finals at lower end
    Year 3 Putting the last cogs in place and a higher up finals position
    Year 4 Your first real shot at the big one
    Year 5 Your last shot at the big one

    Based on that his namesake who posted this may well be right.

    2011 tough year and a clean out
    2012 Rebuild

    And so on, meaning about 2014-2015 would be our next big shot at a GF.

    And in the case of St Choke, they'll get this year and next...and if you consider the likely back end deal for Gasnier (on $55K this year) you can see where Noel was coming from.

    You only have to look at the 2008 GF winning side
    And look at our potential 2011 side

    To see how the Salary Cap has effectively "knee capped" us.

    And St Choke will be next.
  11. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

    +1,401 /56
    Top post. Finally someone who understands how the cap and this "topping up" thing goes.
  12. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

    +480 /0
    Mark,while i respect you and Crusher alot i think we have all the key ingredients still available in 2011 to give the title a red hot shake as we did this year before our huge spate of injuries,our weaknesses at the start of the year were in number 7 and 17 respectively as Bailey had little game time early on,from memory the last 20 minutes,when Rodney was having trouble keeping up his huge intensity

    I think DCE will be a gun for us this coming year,i hope so anyway
    He would have spent alot more time with Ox due to being on toyota cup while Hodko was busy in QLD,furthering on that point his reuniting with Foran will be invaluable as they had a killer combination in the 20s

    Our 14 Seu Seu hopefully stays in FG as yesterday,he WAS the stranger and took his role brilliantly

    Hopefully Cunningham will be ready for 15,Keeping Joe another year at 16 and with any luck Des will find that f**king photo and 17 will be Buhrer

    So looking at our squad

    1 B Stewart/Hoppoate/Oldfield
    2 M Robertson/Oldfield/Hoppoate
    3 Lyon/Whare
    4 Matai/Whare
    5 D Williams/Oldfield/Hoppoate
    6 K Foran/Lyon
    7 Daly Cherry-Evans/Foran
    8 J King
    9 M Ballin
    10 B Kite
    11 A Watmough/T Williams
    12 S Rodney/T Williams
    13 G Stewart/T Williams

    14 Seu Seu
    15 T Williams/Gulavao
    16 Rose/Cunningham/Cross/T Williams
    17 Buhrer/Cunningham/Lussick/Cross/T Williams

    It would be nice to have more players able to play Centre
    Halfback or Prop however

    That is as potent a side as any in the NRL with Des's Coaching
    and hopefully ALOT MORE WORK from Singe

    Slight edit,forgot T Rex
  13. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

    +5,631 /205
    based on the OP as our cycle is over next year will be 8th, then 6th, then 2nd, then 40 - 0
  14. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +8,610 /80
    This is the one that p!sses me off the most. It should say 2009 - Premiers. We so blew a great chance to go back to back with off field dramas beyond belief and insipid on field performances killing our year. Stewy being injured didn't help, but the whole Penn v Delmege handbag stoush and the disastrous fall out from the season launch was embarrassing at times. This translated to some very pedestrian performances on the pitch. We lost a great opportunity to set up a legacy for the next decade because we didn't have strong leadership (both on and off the field) keeping the club focused and hungry. Remember how the media were talking about this being the greatest Manly side ever after we won the WCC ? LOL, they certainly didn't look like that come season end.

    I fear the fallout from last years pathetic season will take a few years to turn around. We blew it and now we are paying for it.
  15. Bradza

    Bradza Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +790 /9
    Well said C&C - agree 100%.
  16. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

    +19,684 /383
    Yeah I'd agree with that, and I'd agree with Shane we will have a good side next year and could possibly win more games than we lose...BUT we start with a completly inexperienced half back and a 5/8 still fidning his way......so much like this year I'll have low expectations
  17. Dancing zorba

    Dancing zorba Member

    +0 /0
    I swear we came 5th in 06?
  18. Moops

    Moops Well-Known Member

    +520 /35
    We have copped some fearful finals hidings since 2005.

    Parra flogged us in '05
    The Dragons flogged us 28-0 in '06
    The Storm flogged us in '09
    The Dragons flogged us in 10

    So, realistically, we have been competitive for 2 years out of the last 6 in the finals.
  19. Copa Eagle

    Copa Eagle Member

    +16 /0
    its up to the players and the staff, if they just go through the motions its all over, but if they can find that passion again, its ours !
  20. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +3,894 /65
    Or you could say that the only legal team in beat us in the finals since 2006 has been the Dragons ;)

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