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Crystal ball - 2012

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by SeaEagleRock8, Oct 19, 2011.

  1. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +10,548 /214
    So … will Des Hasler see out the 2012 season as Manly coach?

    I'm certain he'll stay, and will be as determined as ever. Maybe even more so. The only way he won't last is if we get off to a shocking start.

    Will we be successful in 2012? That depends on our definition of success!

    People are saying even Bennett couldn't do it - coach a team to success after telling his players he was leaving. Illawarra sure fell away as the year went on. But how much of that was because Bennett was moving to Newcastle? They might have faded regardless of that. It's no easy feat to maintain the highest standard over a long period of time. And don't forget, Illawarra actually started this year so impressively that one bookmaker paid out on them as minor premiers before June. A publicity stunt, but their early form was undeniably solid.

    Strangely, the secret to going back-to-back may lie in not playing our best footy from the start of the season. Instead, get some basics in place, re-institute the work ethic from scratch, but aim only to keep within striking distance till the second half of the season.

    This would have the two-fold benefits of taking the pressure off the players (a bit lower on the radar, block out the pressure to play like champions every week) and also minimise our rep commitments mid-year.

    But it would put the pressure firmly on Des. However I reckon he is up to it, he can take the extreme heat that would come from a modest start to the year. He wants to go out a winner on his own terms, and I believe he wants to leave the club he loves in the strongest possible condition. Certainly the players would love nothing more than to send him out a winner. So – my long range forecast – Manly to come home with a wet sail and win the comp from 4th position.

    PS Dymock to take Dogs to finals on a coaching minimum wage, Des then negotiates out of his 2013 Dog contract to take over as NSW SOO coach. All's well that ends well. :)
  2. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +19,027 /367
    B2B is the challenge that will drive Des et al.

    Manly will have to manage the toll of the Rep Season for the first time in years. Bennet griped about it and it rubbed off on the Aints. Cleary is a better comparison as he wasnt wanted by the Board, signed with another Club, yet still managed to get the Team into the GF.

    So lets see how the Players go after the WCC and playing the first round in NZ.
    Should be an intense Season :)
  3. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +10,548 /214
    Our boys will be up for it no risk. We have to remember that we did fare quite well injury wise this year, especially in relation to 6 7 & 9. Can't expect to always do so well in that regard. But I reckon the youngsters in teh club will have got a giant boost from the success this year of DCE, T Rex, Buhrer, Hoppa etc. I reckon Robinson, Lussick Oldfield Whare, Mauro and other lesser lights will lead the way for a lot of the season, keeping the enthusiasm levels high. When does the season start? :(
  4. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +8,591 /80
    Injuries to key players are the key to all teams chances next year. Lose one of your best players for an extended period and your season is virtually over.
  5. swoop

    swoop Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +1,543 /26
    I don't think it's going to work, it been proven many times in the past but having said that there's always a first.
  6. EagleRock40

    EagleRock40 Well-Known Member

    +211 /4
    Depends on the opening 3 rounds. If we are 1/3, he'll be gone. But im confident that wont be the case :) and he will see out 2012 with back 2 back premierships!
  7. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

    +972 /7
    The only reason Des will be gone is because he wasn't able to work with the club - for whatever reason. He has the professionalism to be focused on doing the best for Manly and if the results aren't there early then that is NOT a reason to dump him.

    SER8's original post is exactly my thinking. However, and the season hasn't kicked off, all those points tell me we are Buckley's of going B2B. I really hope I am seriously wrong but I want at least @ $12 before I would consider putting money on and I still think I would be tossing it away. As the season grinds on I just anticipate the cracks appearing and it will be too hard. Top 4 maybe but win? Doubt it. And don't beat me down, I'll be cheering every week no matter what.
  8. WAMF

    WAMF Well-Known Member

    +408 /0
    This is what clubs like Souths, Penrith and Parra do.
    Des does a fantastic job fine tuning the players in preparation for finals time and I believe that by electing to play only 16 men for certain games that it's all part of Des' fine tuning process.
  9. lsz

    lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +4,845 /102
    A lot depends on Brett Stewart

    As good as Cherry et al were it is no co-incidence that the last time brett was fit prior to this year was 2008
  10. BOZO

    BOZO Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +7,354 /384
    We are going back to back , there is no stopping the Manly Momentum.
  11. Rambo1987

    Rambo1987 Well-Known Member

    +241 /2
    The only problem I see will be the media crap that will follow Des around. I can see Gus Gould saying before Friday night game when (if) Manly are down saying "Des decision has caused this"
  12. MK Eagle

    MK Eagle Well-Known Member

    +247 /0
    The only 2 things between Seaeagles back to back premierships is how the players react to all of the media circus guaranteed to try unsettle them & secondly as always - Injuries. Definately as good a chance as anyone else - in fact a bit extra all over the park.
  13. Shoe1

    Shoe1 Well-Known Member

    +7,204 /105
    Gus will be too busy making excuses for the panthers poor form.
  14. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member

    +516 /0
    I would think that Gus may have to give up his ravings now that he's effectively the CEO of the Panffers. I think we will win back to back. I can't see any other team beating us on our day. Robbo will be our most important loss.
  15. MadMarcus

    MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +8,378 /74
    Or encouraging people to put more money into poker machines.
  16. Earnie the Eagle

    Earnie the Eagle Well-Known Member

    +359 /16
    DSM5 is spot on when he has said Robbo is biggest loss, however I would go further and say he is an enormous loss.

    Who will replace him?

    Some say Farrar but is a specialist winger?

    Could T Rex return to the wing?

    Wolfie will not be back for the start of the season and he has a HUGE psychological hurdle to overcome with a C fracture, mind you I am not saying he cant and I hope he does return to his absolute best.

    I know there are others in contention but I do believe the wings will be our Achilles heel in 2012.

    NSW will be looking at some Manly players, you would have to think at least 3, if not more, and its wonderfull for the players that do get selected, however do we have the depth to cover those that do play SOO.

    It will also depend when our byes fall in relation to SOO.

    I have no doubt that Des will want to go B2B, he is a true professional and if anyone can coach a team to go B2B, it is him.
  17. mickqld

    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +5,250 /109
    I dont think SOO will be huge drain on us next year. We will only lose Choc,Gift and maybe T Rex or King. If they can blot out all the media bull**** that will be aimed at them and not get too many injuries like this year then we will go the same as this year. Top 4 and blitz the finals again. Too many profesionals in this team now and the chance to be up there with the greatest teams of all time is now beckoning.
  18. Jethro

    Jethro This space is for rent Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +2,307 /13
    Earnie, don't even consider T-Rex to return to the wing. He needs to be close to the action for him to remain interested and to be an impact.
  19. Earnie the Eagle

    Earnie the Eagle Well-Known Member

    +359 /16
    Yeh agree with you there Jethro, sometimes I feel he only runs on 6 of his 8 cylinders, if he can fire on all, then look out, he will be devastating.
  20. jjai

    jjai Active Member

    +88 /0
    SOO will affect us more in 2012 than it has for the past 3seasons mainly because we are the premiers , they will be looking at trex, both stewarts , watmough maybe even king again plus dce & maybe another bolter or 2 , we will be struggling for 6weeks ..

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