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What a dumb play by Bird


 
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Nice move there. Eels torching them


 
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NRL is progressively getting worse again. Congrats to the winning teams this week, at least you had something to enjoy from a very poor round of football.


 
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The Eels have turned the ship around, Used to be the laughing stock of the Nrl


 
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Wow !

What a try?!!!

One of the best I have seen.


 
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Oh My God Wow GIF



 
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That was ugly


 
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That was a hell of a flick pass


 
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Disgusting from Cartwright.

The top 4 are so much better than everyone else 😂


 
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What a lovely Sunday night of rugba leeg.
This competition sucks.


 
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Don’t worry the NRL are about to introduce another bottom four club.




and in doing so weaken the clubs that don’t need it


 
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Did anyone watch Fletch & Hindy's segment on the Late Show?g

That was gold. Lomax and Lawrie were great.



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It was funny, Lomax will be hoping Griffen didn't see it.


 
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The gulf in teams is becoming wider and wider


This year yet?
 
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The gulf in teams is becoming wider and wider



This year yet?

In the words of Vlandys, the struggling teams 'just need to get better'.


 
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Easy fix. Base salary cap for all teams. 1-8% bonus cap per ladder position for the bottom 8, spooners get an extra 8%, 9th get 1% and you'd obviously need to move player signings to an end of season window only.

As it is now, top teams are effectively operating at up to a 10% bonus just by virtue of being able to pay less because they're successful.

That extra million for the wooden spooners gives the fans hope, and pots more pressure on the top clubs to have to pay up.

Or you know, get rid of the salary cap entirely.



That's a really interesting concept for the salary cap, kind of like a variation on the US draft system from season to season. Personally I'm a bit on the fence with anything rewarding a bad season and disadvantaging a good one in any way.

The salary cap is far from perfect, but I'm not sure of a better system in terms of "fairness" for all clubs. So many factors come into play. The Warrior and Canberra are at a disadvantage due to geographical location, while the Roosters, Broncos and Titans have an advantage there for example.

With the exception of the Storm (at the top) and Tigers (struggling) its been pretty cyclic for clubs over the last decade moving up and down the ladder. Things have been skewed more than usual the last couple of seasons, but 2018 was extremely close. We are already seeing the Sharks benefit from getting a gun player the Storm were unable to retain due to the cap and are now working their way back up to being a top 4 side. The Eels are also on the way up. The Raiders managed to get to the grand final a couple of seasons ago and without the controversy, had a good chance of winning. The Bunnies were last years grand finalists but seem to be in a state of transition.

The reality is 50% of teams must lose in a weekend. If we got rid of the salary cap though, 50% of teams would cease to exist.


 
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That's a really interesting concept for the salary cap, kind of like a variation on the US draft system from season to season. Personally I'm a bit on the fence with anything rewarding a bad season and disadvantaging a good one in any way.

The salary cap is far from perfect, but I'm not sure of a better system in terms of "fairness" for all clubs. So many factors come into play. The Warrior and Canberra are at a disadvantage due to geographical location, while the Roosters, Broncos and Titans have an advantage there for example.

With the exception of the Storm (at the top) and Tigers (struggling) its been pretty cyclic for clubs over the last decade moving up and down the ladder. Things have been skewed more than usual the last couple of seasons, but 2018 was extremely close. We are already seeing the Sharks benefit from getting a gun player the Storm were unable to retain due to the cap and are now working their way back up to being a top 4 side. The Eels are also on the way up. The Raiders managed to get to the grand final a couple of seasons ago and without the controversy, had a good chance of winning. The Bunnies were last years grand finalists but seem to be in a state of transition.

The reality is 50% of teams must lose in a weekend. If we got rid of the salary cap though, 50% of teams would cease to exist.




Good, blow it up and start again with less Sydney teams.


 
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That's a really interesting concept for the salary cap, kind of like a variation on the US draft system from season to season. Personally I'm a bit on the fence with anything rewarding a bad season and disadvantaging a good one in any way.

The salary cap is far from perfect, but I'm not sure of a better system in terms of "fairness" for all clubs. So many factors come into play. The Warrior and Canberra are at a disadvantage due to geographical location, while the Roosters, Broncos and Titans have an advantage there for example.

With the exception of the Storm (at the top) and Tigers (struggling) its been pretty cyclic for clubs over the last decade moving up and down the ladder. Things have been skewed more than usual the last couple of seasons, but 2018 was extremely close. We are already seeing the Sharks benefit from getting a gun player the Storm were unable to retain due to the cap and are now working their way back up to being a top 4 side. The Eels are also on the way up. The Raiders managed to get to the grand final a couple of seasons ago and without the controversy, had a good chance of winning. The Bunnies were last years grand finalists but seem to be in a state of transition.

The reality is 50% of teams must lose in a weekend. If we got rid of the salary cap though, 50% of teams would cease to exist.



You make a lot of good points but I feel the comp is slowly transitioning to a soccer competition where the top few clubs are entrenched and the bottom few can't compete because players are taking less to get a taste of success.

You mention you're against rewarding bad and punishing good, but isn't that exactly the core purpose of the salary cap? Right now it's not achieving its goal. A team like the Bulldogs have to pay a 20% premium to attract players, so does Canberra and the Warriors.

At least when they have a bad season, they have a chance to recruit a star by overpaying then if they hit the top of the table they have a much better chance of keeping players simply by being a club who wins most weeks.


 
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Good, blow it up and start again with less Sydney teams.



I've never been to a game in Sydney, but wouldn't like the thought of extinguishing up to 100 years of history with many of those clubs. Would be a very sad day.


 
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I've never been to a game in Sydney, but wouldn't like the thought of extinguishing up to 100 years of history with many of those clubs. Would be a very sad day.




Would it? If the teams were distributed more evenly, wouldn't that lead to more fans and more investment as teams become representative of their area.

That said, the FAR more important thing is to bring in a draft system and trade window OR reward teams that develop.


 
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