Coach Seibold thoughts so far.... so good

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maxta

First Grader
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I know another thing he can do, is give players with potential a go.
This does 2 things -
Gives the players faith the coaching staff has confidence in them, so they don't leave and succeed at another NRL club.
Keeps the players in top grade going through the motions a rocket, knowing they will be replaced if not performing at an optimum level.
 

Rocky

Bencher
Looks like he can also walk the walk. Yes only 2 trial games in but can only judge on what we have seen so far. We would all be singing a different tune right now had we LOST both games.

Team looks together, faster, younger, more spark and got to say.....playing a really nice brand of footy.
Agreed.
 

ricardo

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Budgie

In for the long haul.
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they say smart people learn from their mistakes and there were lots at brisbane

While not getting too excited about trials I gotta say the bloke has ticked some boxes and while there's a long way to go and there's no competition points won yet it's a case of so far so good.

What has impressed me

* signing flanno as an assistant and the way he explained it on the James Graham podcast. Coach Spoony knows his weaknesses and is smart enough not to let ego get in the way and have people around who are more experience and had more success. Great sign of leadership.

* he's embraced the clubs culture and has tried to duplicate the storms system of educating new players in the clubs history. We have always thought that's why an outsider has never excelled coaching the club again smart move by the new coach.

* unlike Trent from Wollongong he didn't put a broom through the joint when he came in. He's kept the likes of Snake and Steve Hales on board in the footy department. He hasn't made mass changes to the roster. Again I think he is smart enough to see he has inherited a good roster with some talent coming through similar to when he took over souths and he has run with it.

* he showed a massive set of balls to call out the old Greek for his bull**** comments about Tommy T. He's been at the club before he would have known that Zorba has all his media buddies who will go hard but Spoony still did what good coaches do and stuck up for his Star player publicly. Another tick from me.


It still early days and I still believe Des would of got this squad humming this year but you have to give credit where it's due and Seibold is doing a great job so far.

The one thing that sticks in my mind is this squad hes inherited has a similar strength as his souths 2019 side more so than his brisbane 2020-2021 side. We could be in for a fun ride this year friends.
Any chance you can change the name of the thread? The whole Spoonbold thing is an insult to the man we hope can bring us our next premiership and who is working his bum off to do so. Why be so rude?
 

Cameron

Make Manly Great Again #Hasler2019
In that case I'm going to refer to you as Squinty Eyes for ever more.
Fair play. You were always known to me as Wangmans "smaller" brother :D

If he did the helicopter. You did the pocket drone lol. Just jokes bro hope ya well

Are these squinty enough
 

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Cameron

Make Manly Great Again #Hasler2019
Any chance you can change the name of the thread? The whole Spoonbold thing is an insult to the man we hope can bring us our next premiership and who is working his bum off to do so. Why be so rude?
It's just a bit of fun. If you read my comments im fast becoming a fan of siebs.

He's kicked some big goals imo and seems for now atleast to have a bit more back office stability than des, trent the myth or toovey had.
 

Briza

Maroon and White - Born and Bred
I think he's off to a better than expected start, i'd like to see how he handles performance issues with senior players first.
It will only take a few losses or have one of the 7 dropped for Josh A to stir the pot or open his stupid mouth again, then we will see what Mestrov and the coaching staff are made of.
Other than that white elephant i'm very optimistic about the season ahead (injuries aside)
 

Budgie

In for the long haul.
2016 Tipping Competitor
Tipping Member
It's just a bit of fun. If you read my comments im fast becoming a fan of siebs.

He's kicked some big goals imo and seems for now atleast to have a bit more back office stability than des, trent the myth or toovey had.
So change the title 😉
 

Manly To Win!

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Tipping Member
I've been impressed so far. His openness, his varied training methods, his willingness to be open to the media and not hiding the players away. Has a very good coaching staff behind him. Did well in the trials. Seems to want to play the young guns. All completely different from Hasler.
 

Mitch

Bencher
Seibs has had an impact on what we get off field as well when it comes to media and content as well. I guarantee we don’t see the volume of stories/social content that we do now if Des was still at the helm.

Even the transparency with injuries etc, probably wouldn’t have even known Schuster was injured yet in the same scenario last year.
 

Pittwater Legend

We brought back Geoff Toovey!
Fair play. You were always known to me as Wangmans "smaller" brother :D

If he did the helicopter. You did the pocket drone lol. Just jokes bro hope ya well

Are these squinty enough

I had long thought that Stevo could be Paul Stephenson’s brother. Michael Robertson’s brother is also a poster here under a different username to Stevo
 

AlxFromNthNarra

Rarely does big posts worth reading....maybe
There are some things to like about Seibold, some things to be optimistic about, and some context to his pervious coaching stint, in my view. Time for my first 2023 essay! Buckle up - I has wine :D

Things to like:
He has worked to galvansie the squad - reacted to the challenge at hand, namely rumours of squad divided after Pride. Inherited a strong squad with some very promising youth.

Pride impact - cmon...we know it killed our 2022
Manly will deny the Pride-jersey saga impacted last season. That is absolute bull****. I posted at the time I could see them lose every game for the rest of the season after that, and it happened (much to my disappointment). It ended their season - and it still hurts. We were going OK without Tom up until then, but this turned us back into that 1-trick Pony everyone thought we were. Saw enough in that brief pre-Pride period though to have confidence that we are no longer a 1-man band. Just need to believe it.

And Josh Aloiai & the ongoing Pride impact?
Watch the recent Aloiai interview this week, and his demeanour changes noticeably when they bring it up "no-one is talking about it anymore, only you guys (media) are". He's not done with his part in it yet.

Sorry mate, accept that is the bat they will continue to beat us with, and you gotta wear it along with the rest of the team - it creates their clickbait stories. Josh is a credible spokesman (surprisingly - but it explains his leadership status i guess). His body-language control showed that he absolutely HATES questions/statements about Pride Jersey, it immediately changes his disposition. He is not remoreseful as he honestly believes his reaction (and influence to the rest of the team) was on-point. Josh knows the influential role he played in that, and you only have to watch the other Josh (Schuster) interview to see the gulf in self-expression between the two, and by extension the younger players that look up to Josh for thought-leadership. Of course they will listen to him! He is actually a very eloquent and clever guy.

Message to Josh-A - time to let your actions speak mate. I think you talk the talk pretty good (compliment intended), and that's awesome - but If you're the pack leader we all want you to be, you gotta walk the walk dude (and stay on the field a bit more while you're at it...)

Management impact from Pride:
NRL players are not equipped to be ambassadors of complex issues they may not even agree with - and the Manly front-office should have fronted that with a 'my bad'. But they didn't. They sent out Des and Daly (who handled it impeccably given the cicumstances) and hid in the closet. Cowards. Bad decision, Bad look, Bad pulse-check. **** Leadership. The CEO letter this week was - in my view - an attempt to reset the bar on a perception of weak leadership at the club. Mestrov has his work cut out for him, and I wish him luck as he needs it.

How would Seibold deal with this level of adversity though?

Seibold Track Record - park the rose-tinted goggles:
Rewind back to 2019 and first-year Seibold at Broncs is struggling - 2-6 and its not even origin time! Some of the worst defeats in club history. But he had them make the final 8 ultimately (where they were admitedly minced by the Eels 58-0, an embarassing record-loss at finals level - would been better for them to not make it to finals at all imo). That set them up for 2020....

2020 and they start well 2 games, 2 impressive wins - but then Covid hits, and then all of a sudden they get 6 losses in a row, and eventually end up with the spoon. Seibold floundered with that level of adversity, and lost the room. You could write that off as an unprecendented exception...maybe. Would he have handled "Pride Jerseygate" better? Fact is other clubs struggled with the Covid disruption too, but only the Broncos got the spoon - a year after making the finals.

Seibold talks a good game. So did Barrett though - to the point it got him another gig after the debacle that was his Manly tenure. I'm guarded against smooth talkers, actions speak, and smooth talkers have smooth excuses that accompany failure. Trent showed us that, and the Bulldogs tenure vindicated it.

2023 cometh...
So now its 2023, its Seibold, Dymock, Flanagan - and hype in abundance. They have a different media approach (media is scum - and Des treated them as such which I loved - but maybe that put unnecessary pressure on club/players who believed the **** they would read from pond-scum like Rothfield, Kent and their ilk).

Seibold talks a good game, I can't deny that - he worked at Fox after all and has the connections. The players are speaking about off-field unity and galvanising around "The Brotherhood" - so far so good, messaging on-point.

So are we...."On Track??"
They have won a pre-season comp against credible opposition (whats your excuse Canberra...) - teams that are expected to be major players in 2023 - and pocketed $100k to boot. Nice feels.

Seibold's measure of coaching will come from how he handles crisis. It will come - whether by injury, circumstance, luck or otherwise. Covid-year he lost the room in Brisbane - I think the Flanagan influence is maybe an insurance policy against that. Guy has some experience dealing with crisis. Dymock is the answer to a potential Pride repeat, as a credible voice to the demographic so impacted by the poor pride decisions. You can't fault the choices at Manly to address the obvious shortcomings of seasons past - at the very least it shows we are learning!

What I see from the team is a group much more well versed to tow the company line, and say what is expected of them to the media (just can't wait to play footy, doin' it for the boys, after preseason we're so tight). Seibold understands the unnecessary pressures external/Media influences can produce on young, impressionable players. He is currently taking that out of the equation (or at least mitigating it somewhat). Clever ploy, and that is the biggest upgrade Seibold gives over Des, in my view.

So...break out the bubbly?? March Premiers!
If Manly's season goes perfectly and we become the NRL and media darlings of over-achievement, Seibold's strategy will work a treat. It's if we get dragged down into trench-warfare, with injuries galore and players' hands on hips, that I have my doubts - and where I look at Des with nostaligic hope and more confidence - say what you like about Des, but more often than not he turned adversity into a power source. It wasn't fool-proof - but bugger me it was impressive at times.

Seibold is impressive in a different way to Des, but I still think Des understands the Manly DNA better - and Seibold is going to have to prove me wrong on that.

So.....will we win the comp?
It would take an overachievement of epic proportions. Would hate to rule it out as egg-yolk stains my eyebrows, but a season of unity and consistency would be as good as a premiership, and with our juniors it would set us up for some solid years ahead. "Dynasty" is a word with great expectation, but we have watched other teams and their 'Dynasties' for too long now. Teams near the top stay near the top as they build an 'Aura' of destiny. The same teams make the finals year after year, some dip in and out (like us) and others rarely feature in any significant way (ie past week-1 of finals). We used to be the mainstay finals players, and have dropped to dip-in-and-out. This influences refs too, im convinced of that - who is 'meant to win' type of attitude.

And Seibold Today??
Let's hope Seibold has developed himself from what he learned out of the Broncs, from Eddie Jones, and as a Fox strategic talking head - he woulda seen a lot of games in that role. An edge combo of Tuiliagi and Haumole is up there (if not better) than what he had at the Broncos, and they were hyped as THE young pack of the next generation. Yes, we could def pick up a handy Prop - but our biggest challenge has been the 9 for a while now. I'm getting a good feel about our prospects there now however, with GCKT showing his wares. Impressive!

Our backline is starting to show depth the likes of which we haven't had since the golden era - Seibold's task is to give opportunity which Des never did to upcoming talent & youth on merit of performance not reputation, and create a loyalty proposition in contracts ala the Roosters/Storm/Panthers (and to a lesser extent Souths), where players will take unders to fit into a superior system so they can learn how to win and experience a winning culture. We didn't go to market coz we didn't have to - and that pleases me more than signing up speculators on overs.

What we lost in the Barrett era was our Aura as a top-shelf club. And that is what Seibold has to re-instate. Des couldn't re-ignite our glory of his previous stint - maybe he never was empowered to. Maybe he coudn't re-apply his template of success in the decade from the mid 2000's. And maybe that ship modernised itself, and sailed without him.

Expectations are high, don't Fk it up Anthony. We are a club built on achievement, and failure is just not in the club DNA.

I'll go back into my hidey hole now.
 
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