Baz, it's time to leave Manly – and no, you don't deserve a cent

[Harvies elbow]

Pfft. Baz has not fulfilled his legal obligation, he was hired as a coach. Clearly he is not.

Anyway jokes on him because it's his reputation that is swirling down the drain.
Penn's are not running out of money anytime soon.

I've decided I'm not going to mention the sad c,,t anymore and just enjoy the arrival of Dessie.
He deserves no more discussion time...

 

[mave]

I simply love the fact that Barrett is in the discussion, along with Peter Sharp, as our worst ever coach.

Any amount of buck passing, Penn blaming, and sore bottoms will never change that fact.

Congrats to Trent, and his one man cheer-sqaud.
You will be long remembered, for all the wrong reasons.

 

[manlyfan76]

I simply love the fact that Barrett is in the discussion, along with Peter Sharp, as our worst ever coach.

Any amount of buck passing, Penn blaming, and sore bottoms will never change that fact.

Congrats to Trent, and his one man cheer-sqaud.
You will be long remembered, for all the wrong reasons.

And the longer he clings to the past, the worse he looks!

 

[lurker]

Ok .... the way it currently stands ..... Baz has tended his 12 month notice as req'd by his contract and under the terms of that contract he is working as head coach up until June 2019 ......

Now if Manly decide (as they have) that they wish to alter that arrangement or "sack" Barrett before the termination of the notice period, then Manly is breaking the contract and then a payout is legally, morally and ethically due .... Just like it was for Des and 9 out of 10 coaches of all clubs over the past 2 decades .....

Really? So you’ve read the contract and know the wording of it?

If not get back in your corner woodsie and pipe down just like you tell everyone else to you numb nut because you’re purely speculating

 

[anthonyb1965]

Why is his picture still on the MWSE www as Coach?

 

[Harvies elbow]

Why is his picture still on the MWSE www as Coach?

Is there a target on it?
Might be part of a new competition for members.

 

[redlineg]

Barrett is a flog.

Couldn't coach to save his life. Ran to Gould like a sulking child. Ran to Roothtool to divert blame from himself. Gives 12 month's notice hoping to be paid out and isn't.

Can't wait till he is nothing but a distant memory brought up occasionally to laugh at as the worst coach in the clubs history.

Baz, go away you pest. You don't deserve a cent.

I agree.
We have better things we can spend that sort of money on

 

[Woodsie]

Really? So you’ve read the contract and know the wording of it?

If not get back in your corner woodsie and pipe down just like you tell everyone else to you numb nut because you’re purely speculating

1) The fact that both parties were req'd to give 12 months notice has been extensively reported and is not a contested fact ...
2) Barrett and his manager have stated publicly that it is his intention to fulfil his contractual obligations as head coach until the expiration of his notice period ... also not a contested fact ... and has been confirmed by Manly saying they would find some role for Baz to see out the period ...
3) If either party wishes to deviates from that course .... either Barrett or Penn ..... then my 50 years of conducting business under legal contracts, and an extensive knowledge of same ... tells me that the party that wishes the deviation will be liable to compensate the other party ......

If you consider any of that speculation you have not been paying attention ..... just because you lack the experience or wit to understand it does not make it incorrect ....

 

[Tragic Eagle]

1) The fact that both parties were req'd to give 12 months notice has been extensively reported and is not a contested fact ...
2) Barrett and his manager have stated publicly that it is his intention to fulfill his contractual obligations as head coach until the expiration of his notice period ... also not a contested fact ... and has been confirmed by Manly saying they would find some role for Baz to see out the period ...
3) If either party wishes to deviates from that course .... either Barrett or Penn ..... then my 50 years of conducting business under legal contracts, and an extensive knowledge of same ... tells me that the party that wishes the deviation will be liable to compensate the other party ......

If you consider any of that speculation you have not been paying attention ..... just because you lack the experience or wit to understand it does not make it incorrect ....

I agree with Woodsie on this one. Whilst we do not have the benefit seeing the contract and the fact that Manly insisted that he see out his notice period suggests that he's entitled to be on the payroll until the end of the notice period. A technical argument that the clause could not oblige the club to keep him in the head coach position the following season would have wheels but the question of remuneration would be far less clear particularly avoiding payment to him and the quantification of such payment. The numb nuts are the one's responsible for the contract.

 

[ShanghaiEagle]

I agree with Woodsie on this one. Whilst we do not have the benefit seeing the contract and the fact that Manly insisted that he see out his notice period suggests that he's entitled to be on the payroll until the end of the notice period. A technical argument that the clause could not oblige the club to keep him in the head coach position the following season would have wheels but the question of remuneration would be far less clear particularly avoiding payment to him and the quantification of such payment. The numb nuts are the one's responsible for the contract.

Agree with you both on this. A poorly drafted document seems to be the issue.

Hard to throw stones without knowing the detail and context, but if TB was/is trying to ensure full payout even in the contingency that he lines up a new job in the time before contract term, then I would disagree with that on principal. I am not suggesting that is the case though, we don't know.

 

[Lyonstomenzies]

@Woodsie and Barrett sitting in a tree K.I.S.S.I.N.G

 

[ManlyTragic]

Hasn't Barrett deviated from that course by not turning up on Monday?

He’s sick?

 

[ShanghaiEagle]

Hasn't Barrett deviated from that course by not turning up on Monday?

That will have been agreed between the two parties as part of the negotiation to get this done - most likely at the request of the club.

 

[Nice Beaver]

Hasn't Barrett deviated from that course by not turning up on Monday?

Given Des has expressly stated he will not work with Barrett, its hardly surprising the club have asked him to stay away.....

 

[lurker]

1) The fact that both parties were req'd to give 12 months notice has been extensively reported and is not a contested fact ...
2) Barrett and his manager have stated publicly that it is his intention to fulfil his contractual obligations as head coach until the expiration of his notice period ... also not a contested fact ... and has been confirmed by Manly saying they would find some role for Baz to see out the period ...
3) If either party wishes to deviates from that course .... either Barrett or Penn ..... then my 50 years of conducting business under legal contracts, and an extensive knowledge of same ... tells me that the party that wishes the deviation will be liable to compensate the other party ......

If you consider any of that speculation you have not been paying attention ..... just because you lack the experience or wit to understand it does not make it incorrect ....

You’re a moron who masquerades as intelligent. I’ve tiptoed round this repeatedly while you insult myself and others trying to drill into wording. Well how about you do it for your own posts. You stated that in his contract it states he’s the head coach. Well unless you’ve read it you can’t possibly know that. The whole idea that manly is in breach if they change his role is bull****. IR protects him to ensure he is receiving his contractual monetary entitlements which is what he’s receiving. They can vary his role to handle transition though, it’s done constantly.

I’ve resigned from jobs where in the handover I’m doing a significantly different job to my job description. It’s the nature of a transition.

I can’t work out if the fact you can’t see that is pigheadedness or stupidity or both

 

[lurker]

I would give him indefinite leave until he leaves the organization and enforce the fact he can’t work elsewhere

 

[robbiea]

You’re a moron who masquerades as intelligent. I’ve tiptoed round this repeatedly while you insult myself and others trying to drill into wording. Well how about you do it for your own posts. You stated that in his contract it states he’s the head coach. Well unless you’ve read it you can’t possibly know that. The whole idea that manly is in breach if they change his role is bull****. IR protects him to ensure he is receiving his contractual monetary entitlements which is what he’s receiving. They can vary his role to handle transition though, it’s done constantly.

I’ve resigned from jobs where in the handover I’m doing a significantly different job to my job description. It’s the nature of a transition.

I can’t work out if the fact you can’t see that is pigheadedness or stupidity or both

I'd put my money on that his contract states "head coach".

 

[Peter C]

I agree with Woodsie on this one. Whilst we do not have the benefit seeing the contract and the fact that Manly insisted that he see out his notice period suggests that he's entitled to be on the payroll until the end of the notice period. A technical argument that the clause could not oblige the club to keep him in the head coach position the following season would have wheels but the question of remuneration would be far less clear particularly avoiding payment to him and the quantification of such payment. The numb nuts are the one's responsible for the contract.

I don't know if it's a numb nut responsible for the contract, as it could very well be a standard contract?.
The numb nut is the one who elected to give 12 months notice mid season, knowing that such a resignation would be untenable and put us in a dire situation.

 

[Woodsie]

Hasn't Barrett deviated from that course by not turning up on Monday?

If he was requested not to by the club ... which would be a reasonable assumption ,,,, then I am sure his manager would have got that in writing and that the likely outcome of that course of action fully understood and agreed to by both parties ...

 

[Woodsie]

You’re a moron who masquerades as intelligent. I’ve tiptoed round this repeatedly while you insult myself and others trying to drill into wording. Well how about you do it for your own posts. You stated that in his contract it states he’s the head coach. Well unless you’ve read it you can’t possibly know that. The whole idea that manly is in breach if they change his role is bull****. IR protects him to ensure he is receiving his contractual monetary entitlements which is what he’s receiving. They can vary his role to handle transition though, it’s done constantly.

I’ve resigned from jobs where in the handover I’m doing a significantly different job to my job description. It’s the nature of a transition.

I can’t work out if the fact you can’t see that is pigheadedness or stupidity or both

From your summation of Barrett's legal position it does not surprise me that you cannot work things out .... however the good news is that there is a 100% sure fire way that will prove which one of us is a (as you say) pigheaded or stupid .... and we wont have to wait very long .....

If the club announces that Barrett has been appointed assistant coach to Jersey Flegg or some other lower role and he takes it or leaves without a payout ,,,,, then you are obviously correct ..... If they pay him out ..... then I am correct .......

PSS ..... However, whoever wrote your employment contracts was a comlete dill or more likely they sound like they were written by the company and you just signed them like a good little boy ....... you should have consulted me for advice .....